Re: [Cfrg] Requesting removal of CFRG co-chair

Tao Effect <contact@taoeffect.com> Sat, 21 December 2013 23:29 UTC

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On Dec 21, 2013, at 6:17 PM, Tao Effect <contact@taoeffect.com>; wrote:
> Should not the choice of an employer reflect on a person's competence?

Sorry, thinking a bit more about that question, I think the answer is "no, not necessarily, but maybe in some circumstances."


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> On Dec 21, 2013, at 5:37 PM, Hilarie Orman <ho@alum.mit.edu>; wrote:
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>> Take it as a challenge, is the IETF smarter than NSA or any other
>> organization with ulterior motives?  Can the IETF make sound technical
>> judgments based on written documents? 
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> Speaking for myself only, an organization's ability to make sound ethical choices impacts my ability to take it seriously.
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> What sort of people does the IETF/CFRG place in positions of authority?
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> Those types of decisions play a significant role in defining what an organization is, and what it does.
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>> and choose leaders based on their competence and not on their employment.
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> Should not the choice of an employer reflect on a person's competence?
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> Careful now, we're deadly close to reaching Godwin's Law. ;-P
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> - Greg
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> On Dec 21, 2013, at 5:37 PM, Hilarie Orman <ho@alum.mit.edu>; wrote:
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>> Is the CFRG co-chair the only person in the CFRG who has associations,
>> proclaimed or covert, with an organization intent on undermining the
>> standards process?  I seriously doubt it.  Then why trust anything
>> from any part of the IETF?  Because it is an open process with input
>> from a worldwide community.  That open process provides the resilience
>> against attack.
>> 
>> Take it as a challenge, is the IETF smarter than NSA or any other
>> organization with ulterior motives?  Can the IETF make sound technical
>> judgments based on written documents?  If you don't believe this is
>> possible, then by all means, start the purges.  Otherwise, step up to
>> the plate, be part of the evaluation-on-the-merits process, and choose
>> leaders based on their competence and not on their employment.
>> 
>> Hilarie
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