Re: [Cfrg] malicious DH base points [was Re: should the CFRG really strive for consensus?]

"D. J. Bernstein" <djb@cr.yp.to> Fri, 02 January 2015 18:33 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Cfrg] malicious DH base points [was Re: should the CFRG really strive for consensus?]
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Stephen Farrell writes:
> Dan's mail accused someone of bad faith by saying that that person did
> thing x "in the guise" of doing thing y.

No, "in the guise" does not imply or suggest bad faith. Consider, e.g.,
the purely positive quote

   Sometimes he needs to regard the troop with clinical dispassion -- in
   the guise of a Stanford professor who publishes papers on the
   dynamics of bovine tuberculosis transmission in the olive baboon,
   Papio anubis, in The Journal of Medical Primatology

from http://www.nytimes.com/books/01/04/01/reviews/010401.01nixont.html.

Might I gently suggest that we take this ridiculous side discussion off
list (as the chairs should have done in the first place---see RFC 3934)
and leave CFRG free for technical discussions?

---Dan