Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Consensus and a way forward]
Alyssa Rowan <akr@akr.io> Tue, 02 December 2014 07:59 UTC
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 02/12/2014 00:18, Benjamin Black wrote: > If your perspective is that Curve25519 must be adopted, and under > no circumstances will alternatives be considered, then it will be > difficult to reach an accommodation. That's an odd position, given the extremely close similarity between PinkBikeShed and Curve25519. Why is that? On what TECHNICAL ground do you believe PinkBikeShed is superior? On what SECURITY ground do you reject Curve25519? What's the blocker for you? Why are you refusing to consider it? Please answer, clearly. Because even agl, a co-author of your draft, clearly believes that what you propose is not the best choice. And if it's clearly not the best choice, we shouldn't choose it. If you cannot answer those questions, then it will be difficult to reach an accommodation. I think you're wrong; that you're simply unwilling to admit you're wrong; and you want to compromise on some kind of frankencurve to save face. But with the greatest respect, your ego has sod all to do with this. I am unwilling to compromise the quality of cryptography on the internet to save your ego. Design by committee has always been a very bad call. I believe that we will be able to find a rough consensus, and we certainly have running code, for Curve25519. Pick that one. I believe that will absolutely not be the case with your proposal. It is for the chairs to call for consensus: I will leave that to them. - -- /akr -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUfXFrAAoJEOyEjtkWi2t6x1gP/1jW8lKsvjBO03bwW9x/zENK mUhywUQ5Eqeec50LeB/AvN+/kRowRZR+MqEzLXifGtlJ/bB4t04fwfFg7uqOavkm Azfc6KtnRmmL5c1v8bDOmQPK67HbHDB/cxoA3rR6PI1Cd3ZcrsU410jLHSkK647e 4LIPWqyKMFH3eKaDXOYSTHCSuvluh4Spl1QBSKoIY/xFoB7uJWJNWBfgckT0Q0Ng 7MY0omdbCMOsyYxvOlhfYKOI5mNRVmCmxnKNwi6rQPCpC5X9TXW6cC25aWD64JEJ X+TDb2uEGsNOc///D/eZ7HA6bIHdeliiGgF95QYF0y0Ds3SCjsdj6Hvxd3QEvWMu kyVkxA6gdzKskFg5FBf8PEiDwujZn6LyA/PtbpYGk+rUgujbvlAdGcUgWlCWKwDH XHTutR126YMRVf82mG6O6j8vmYlQ3TGyHm5WY6i74rEZkDWO7BxgeEsSyawyoOvG 7P+MzdC4b3T/uFk7MlsNXa6QHkRyPd+ZnnBtS2O0Efunt/ZEmCTBmVEy0hZ72fsh YnGfYylTmo7km0rEe1o1uRZZtih6Dd4tC84WWr7Qpm5MRjbG0qL8dDR3ya1JCHIo IQ+MezEF8BFNozmMXeA4uhaMaeN4ZUq/wVopfXgql8psgMNl4b4c88yXxv2z03YT 4KDRQO79MF+MnTPfNUvo =gUrt -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
- [Cfrg] Consensus and a way forward Benjamin Black
- Re: [Cfrg] Consensus and a way forward Watson Ladd
- Re: [Cfrg] Consensus and a way forward Joppe Bos
- Re: [Cfrg] Consensus and a way forward Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Alyssa Rowan
- Re: [Cfrg] Consensus and a way forward Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Adam Langley
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Alyssa Rowan
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Mike Hamburg
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Alyssa Rowan
- Re: [Cfrg] Consensus and a way forward Paterson, Kenny
- Re: [Cfrg] Consensus and a way forward Paterson, Kenny
- Re: [Cfrg] Consensus and a way forward Paterson, Kenny
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Benjamin Black
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Michael Hamburg
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Benjamin Black
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Alyssa Rowan
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Robert Ransom
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Adam Langley
- Re: [Cfrg] Consensus and a way forward Lochter, Manfred
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Robert Ransom
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Benjamin Black
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Watson Ladd
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Tony Arcieri
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Benjamin Black
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Alyssa Rowan
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… D. J. Bernstein
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Robert Ransom
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Benjamin Black
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Watson Ladd
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Paterson, Kenny
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Alyssa Rowan
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Watson Ladd
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Benjamin Black
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Robert Ransom
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Paterson, Kenny
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Watson Ladd
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Paterson, Kenny
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Harry Halpin
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Watson Ladd
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Tanja Lange
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Tony Arcieri
- Re: [Cfrg] Mishandling twist attacks D. J. Bernstein
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Paterson, Kenny
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Tanja Lange
- Re: [Cfrg] Mishandling twist attacks Paterson, Kenny
- Re: [Cfrg] Mishandling twist attacks D. J. Bernstein
- Re: [Cfrg] Mishandling twist attacks Salz, Rich
- Re: [Cfrg] Mishandling twist attacks Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Cfrg] Mishandling twist attacks Adam Back