[Cfrg] Writing proposals as drafts first (was Re: draft-irtf-cfrg-dragonfly document status)

[Alexey Melnikov <[e-mail]>]

On 09/10/2014 07:11, Dan Harkins wrote:
>    Watson,
>
> On Wed, October 8, 2014 6:22 pm, Watson Ladd wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Dan Harkins <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>    Watson,
>>>
>>> On Wed, October 8, 2014 3:46 pm, Watson Ladd wrote:
>>>> On Oct 8, 2014 3:26 PM, "Paul Lambert" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>>
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>> It also is not clear how relevant the proposed draft will be
>>
>>>>>> The draft authors knew this from the very beginning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think we should approve a protocol that doesn't have a
>>>>>> security
>>>> proof, particularly given that we are going to work on alternatives.
>>>>> “… Going to work on …” is the issue.  The draft under
>>>>> discussion
>>>>> has been
>>>> on IETF servers for 2 years.  It has been used in other industry forums
>>>> for
>>>> four or five years.
>>>>
>>>> Plenty of alternatives have been put forward in those two years,
>>>> including
>>>> EKE+Elligator,  SPAKE2,  JPAKE,  and SMP based solutions. The failure
>>>> to
>>>> advance these is inexplicable.
>>>    Oh no, it's very easily explained. It's because no one has stepped
>>> forward
>>> to actually write the I-Ds. You have stated on numerous occasions that
>>> these
>>> should be written up but you have never actually taken on the task of
>>> actually doing it. Please, write up a draft or four.  Whether or not you
>>> do,
>>> though, this really has nothing to do with the RGLC underway right now.
>> JPAKE was described in a series of drafts that weren't made WG work
>> items. I see no reason that the eventual disposition of SPAKE2, SMP,
>> or EKE+Elligator drafts would be any different, and thus see no reason
>> to write the drafts.
>    The disposition is due to the diligence and hard work of the editor of
> the I-D. If you want drafts to be produced in a RG (or WG) the best way
> to do that is to socialize the idea, write the draft, and advocate for it.
At least this co-chair agrees with this. Write a proposal and email 
chairs or ask chairs to adopt an existing draft.

Best Regards,
Alexey