Re: [Cfrg] Word-lists for Diffie-Hellman and Fingerprints

Tony Arcieri <bascule@gmail.com> Fri, 25 August 2017 22:14 UTC

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From: Tony Arcieri <bascule@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 15:14:27 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Cfrg] Word-lists for Diffie-Hellman and Fingerprints
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On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Aaron Zauner <azet@azet.org> wrote:

> A recent Twitter discussion [0] prompted me to look up any IETF documents
> specifying "PGP word lists" [1] as in use for for short authentication
> strings (SAS) in ZRTP and e.g. Signal. Apparently there's no such document,
> nor any other document that concerns word-lists that humans can easily
> read, say and hear/comprehend.
>

I've found this to be an excellent resource for comparing various wordlists
and the quality of passwords or other authentication phrases generated from
them:

https://ae7.st/g/


> What's your opinion on the matter?


I am a big fan of this approach. See this video for some of my work
(warning: turn your wound down): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAeJsskGHsQ

That said I'm not sure it's a CFRG-relevant topic...

On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 1:25 PM, Werner Koch <wk@gnupg.org> wrote:

> Word list are probably good for native speakers of a language but they
> are problematic for non-native speakers and are useless for
> non-speakers.


The obvious (to me, at least) solution to this is language-localized
wordlists. It compounds the problem, and requires native speakers of each
language to curate good word lists, but I don't think the problem is
intractable.

-- 
Tony Arcieri