Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairing-friendly-curves-01.txt
Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz> Tue, 02 April 2019 06:18 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairing-friendly-curves-01.txt
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Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL <uri@ll.mit.edu> writes: >Do you think then, that quantum computers capable of threatening, e.g., ECC, >won't come in the next 50 years or so, if at all? >From the existing data we've got, yes. Someone may or may not build a cryptanalysis-capable quantum computer, someone may or may not prove/disprove one of the many mathematical assumptions underlying our cryptosystems, space aliens may land and tell us that what we're using is the sort of crypto that newly-hatched space spawn solve as basic homework exercises, or any other kind of fantastic event may or may not occur, but what will definitely happen is that attackers will use trojan-horse software to steal keys, take advantage of software bugs, employ side-channel attacks, backdoor the crypto, and perform a million other actual attacks that are being used right now. It doesn't matter whether you can build a magic quantum computer or not when another process in the system can suck your crypto keys right out of memory. It's not magical attacks from the future that you need to worry about, it's real attacks from right now. Having said that, it doesn't mean cryptographers won't invest vast amounts of time and effort into PQC. It's a cool chance to reset the crypto world and start again with entirely new designs, which is always fun to do. There's entire conference tracks just waiting to be held on all this, new journals, research funding, government contracts, the sky's the limit. Peter.
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Marek Jankowski
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Michael Scott
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Shoko YONEZAWA
- [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairing-fr… Shoko YONEZAWA
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Michael Scott
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Michael Scott
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… David Wong
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Shoko YONEZAWA
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Shoko YONEZAWA
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Michael Scott
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Shoko YONEZAWA
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Shoko YONEZAWA
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Paterson Kenneth
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Michael Scott
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… John Mattsson
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Michael Scott
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Marek Jankowski
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Dan Brown
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… John Mattsson
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… denis bider
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Björn Haase
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Michael Scott
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… William Whyte
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Watson Ladd
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Watson Ladd
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… John Mattsson
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Damien Miller
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Ruslan Kiyanchuk
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… mcgrew
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Paterson Kenneth
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… mcgrew
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… A. Huelsing
- Re: [Cfrg] I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairing-fri… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Shoko YONEZAWA
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Shoko YONEZAWA
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Michael Scott
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Paterson Kenneth
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Michael Scott
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Shoko YONEZAWA
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Shoko YONEZAWA
- Re: [Cfrg] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-yonezawa-pairin… Michael Scott