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Re: [Cfrg] [secdir] Time to recharter CFRG as a working group? Was: Re: ISE seeks help with some crypto drafts

"Paterson Kenneth" <kenny.paterson@inf.ethz.ch> Sun, 17 March 2019 14:30 UTC

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From: Paterson Kenneth <kenny.paterson@inf.ethz.ch>
To: Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca>
CC: Michael StJohns <msj@nthpermutation.com>, Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx>, CFRG <cfrg@irtf.org>, "RFC ISE (Adrian Farrel)" <rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org>, secdir <secdir@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Cfrg] [secdir] Time to recharter CFRG as a working group? Was: Re: ISE seeks help with some crypto drafts
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Hi Paul,

I wasn't using "consensus" in any formal IRTF process sense, sorry; I should have picked a different word to avoid giving that impression. 

What I saw was a discussion that had gone on for a period of time and where the initiator had said he was not going to push the issue any further. That felt like a good time to step in, summarise what I'd seen, and suggest we move on to other issues. Apologies if my timing was bad or this seemed heavy-handed. 

Cheers,

Kenny


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From: Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca>
Date: Sunday, 17 March 2019 at 09:26
To: Paterson  Kenneth <kenny.paterson@inf.ethz.ch>
Cc: Michael StJohns <msj@nthpermutation.com>, Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx>, "cfrg@irtf.org" <cfrg@irtf.org>, "RFC ISE (Adrian Farrel)" <rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org>, secdir <secdir@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [secdir] [Cfrg] Time to recharter CFRG as a working group? Was: Re: ISE seeks help with some crypto drafts

    
    > On Mar 16, 2019, at 12:30, Paterson Kenneth <kenny.paterson@inf.ethz.ch> wrote:
    
    > The rough consensus of those who joined the discussion is that we should leave the status of CFRG as it is for now. 
    
    I wasn’t aware we were gathering consensus already and thought we were just having a discussion. So seeing this cut short all of a sudden with a tally seems wrong to me.
    
    So for consensus, I think that what CFRG is doing matches a WG more than an RG, and it would be more formally correct to change it.
    
    Paul

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