Re: Thoughts about characters transmission
Rick Troth <TROTH@ricevm1.rice.edu> Sat, 10 July 1993 17:37 UTC
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From: Rick Troth <TROTH@ricevm1.rice.edu>
Subject: Re: Thoughts about characters transmission
To: Keld J|rn Simonsen <keld@dkuug.dk>, Andr'e PIRARD <PIRARD@vm1.ulg.ac.be>, "Robert G. Moskowitz" <0003858921@mcimail.com>, ietf-charsets@innosoft.com, ietf-822@dimacs.rutgers.edu, ietf@CNRI.Reston.VA.US, WG-CHAR@rare.nl, Multi-byte Code Issues <ISO10646@jhuvm.rare.nl>
In-Reply-To: Message of Sat, 10 Jul 1993 10:31:56 +0200 from <keld@dkuug.dk>
[please excuse this cross-post; I am following a thread] >> The _most_important_point_ is that a single common representation code >> be defined _for_the_line_ (suiting the purpose, namely to cover all national >> languages in one single way) and that people be instructed that every bit >> of text should travel in that code on the wire, whatever_the_protocol_is. > >I agree to most of what Andre'' is saying and I have an additional >point here: that the single common representation code should be something >that can be handled by existing software and hardware, ... I agree with most of what Andr) said, and agree with you on this one point. But ... >will take a long time before the conversion software is installed >on all machines, or even a large share of the installed base. >Also I would like to emphasis the need for world-wide solutions. >This would mean that ISO 8859-1 would not be a good candidate, >we need something ASCII based (or even with a smaller repertoire >than ASCII to cover the problems with EBCDIC and national ISO 646 >variants). I don't understand the warrant here, Keld. You're right that we need world-wide solutions and you're right that we should have some- thing ASCII based. How does these make ISO 8859-1 a bad choice? I've spent a significant part of *my* life working with others toward a true solution to the ASCII <---> EBCDIC problem. Some form of concensus was reached a long time ago and folks have successfully "beat IBM over the head" with it, and IBM has finally acknowledged a "de facto network EBCDIC" [my term] which they call CodePage 1047. CP 1047 maps one-for-one with ISO 8859-1. The mapping of 1047/8859-1 is the most palatable mapping to the most sites on the InterNet. I see the common code Andr) mentions. I see ISO 8859-1 "on the wire". I see some greater-than-8-bit code in the future that is a superset of 8859-1. (and whether TCP has been super- ceeded or wether we "tag" things, I am NOT addressing here) What's the problem? [I think it was Nathaniel who said, "memory is cheap and bandwidth is cheaper". In agreement, I say we scrap the 16-bit stop-gap solution and go directly to 32-bit and then start looking toward bit-unconstrained (bit-free?) representations. Just my opinion] >Keld -- Rick Troth <troth@rice.edu>, Rice University, Information Systems
- Thoughts about characters transmission Andr'e PIRARD
- Thoughts about characters transmission Andr'e PIRARD
- Re: Thoughts about characters transmission Keld J|rn Simonsen
- Re: Thoughts about characters transmission Rick Troth
- Re: Thoughts about characters transmission Rick Troth
- Re: Thoughts about characters transmission Keld J|rn Simonsen
- Re: Thoughts about characters transmission Masataka Ohta
- Re: Thoughts about characters transmission Andr'e PIRARD
- Re: Thoughts about characters transmission Andr'e PIRARD
- Re: Thoughts about characters transmission Masataka Ohta
- Re: Thoughts about characters transmission Jim Conklin