Re: [cin] Random Notes

"Templin, Fred L" <> Mon, 06 August 2012 16:24 UTC

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Hi Ron,

Below are the notes inline:

Thanks - Fred

Criticial Infrastructure Network (cin) Bar-BoF (IETF84 - July 30, 2012)
- Ron Bonica - facilitating AD
- Do we want to publish things? Through AD sponsorship? Form a working group?
- Need a problem statement to form a working group, plus a real BoF at an upcoming meeting
- Terry Davis cited introductory note sent on the list earlier in the day
- Aviation network considerations:
                - aviation still using OSI
                - can't get security with OSI
                - 140+ nation states with stakes in aviation comm's
                - how do we apply filters/ACLs/etc. to enforce boundaries?
                - or, is it a "loosly allied" confederation of networks?
- other use cases include railroad industry, power grid, SCADA systems, medical systems, vehicular networks, first responder networks, etc.
- problems include mobility, multihoming, security, etc.
- Locator/ID-split mentioned
- medical devices and body-area networking (IEEE 802.15.6) as critical infrastructure
- HIP, IRON and LISP mentioned briefly (noted as solution-space topics)
- facilitating AD reiterated need for problem statement as next step

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From:<> [] On Behalf Of Templin, Fred L
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See attached for a few terse notes from my vantage point.

Thanks - Fred

From:<> [] On Behalf Of Eric Burger
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 3:38 PM
Subject: [cin] Random Notes

These are NOT minutes from the meeting. They are random notes. They don't even capture who was there. It would be nice if someone who took copious notes could consolidate things.

The main action item is for Terry Davis and Bob Moskowitz to get together and write a problem statement draft in the next six weeks. For the calendar challenged, that would be by September 14.

Ron Bonica - sponsoring AD
Terry  Davis - iJET
Merike Kaeo - ISC
Robert Moskowitz

Eric Burger taking bad notes, not minutes

SIPRNET example

Air transport
Trains (international, too: US, Canada, Mexico)
Power Grid
Enterprise SCADA
Medical - legacy infrastructure, different levels of access, etc.

Airplanes have 8+ networks: today multiple VPNs

Airplane has multiple prefixes. Airplane is multi-homed, and mobile.
How to run secure dynamic DNS?

First WG: Work on problem statement and issues with current solutions

Medical: Body area network
body contact, broadband, narrowband PHYs
802.15.4 (j - narrowband) 802.15.6 (FCC allocated)
In-hospital systems, or prescribed home systems
Hospital: break bottleneck of FDA approval of system, e.g., integrated system has to be approved, not just the components

Wireless devices get attached to patient. Patient moves from prep to OR to recovery to ...; different local controllers. Spectrum is secondary; WS-like sharing of frequency.

Device needs to prove its identity. Easy for an airplane, but harder for a 20 micro-amp 8-bit CPU. HIP issues and solutions (smart endpoints), LISP issues and solutions (smart network).

Entity mobility
- class of solution: give entities permanent identifiers independent of connectivity
Cost of losing connectivity is exhorbitant

Problem statement: secure reliable mobility