Draft Minutes; Please Review

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Following is a draft of the minutes from the ISN meeting in Amsterdam.
Please review and post corrections to the list or to me
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Thanks for a very productive meeting!
IETF Working Group Minutes:  Internet School Networking (ISN)
Meeting held July 15, 1993 in Amsterdam, the Netherlands
Submitted by Interim Chair Jennifer Sellers, NASA NREN

1.  Introductions
The meeting opened with a sharing of experiences as the participants
introduced themselves and told of projects in school networking of
which they are aware.  Projects mentioned were:  Merit Network's
efforts in K-12 education headed by Dana Sitzler (not present);
elementary and secondary school telecommunications in Germany,
coordinated by educator Klaus Fuller; European Schools Project using
"teletrips," curriculum-based projects including the AquaData project,
reported by Aad Neinhuis; the Internet Society's K-12 Committee, which
is headed by Bruce Nelson, who reminded working group members of the
INET conference to be held in San Francisco, California in August;
California initiatives for training teachers to educate using the
Internet reported by Joyce Reynolds of Information Sciences Institute,
who has been working with Carol Teach in the California Department of
Education, and Joan Gargano of the University of California at Davis;
Pandora Systems's World Classroom Project, and the Pacific Bell
(California, US) system now under development reported by Mitra of
Pandora Systems; AT&T Learning Network (US) reported by Paul Lustgarten
of AT&T; Rutgers University's (New Jersey, US) efforts in the
elementary and secondary school arena providing accounts to teachers in
the area local to Rutgers, reported by Mel Pleasant; the (US) National
School Network Testbed Project developed by Bolt Beranek and Newman,
reported by Cindy Mills of BBN; a University of Hawaii pilot project
with 25 school teachers to produce curriculum-based lesson plans using
networks, reported by Jody Chu of the university; a number of schools
are connected to SURFnet (Netherlands), reported Maria Heijne of
SURFnet; and (US) NASA NREN's project which has a pilot project with
several schools across the US and is developing a set of tutorial
videos for informing/motivating schools about the Internet and also for
training educators and students to use Internet tools, reported by
Jennifer Sellers, NASA National Research and Education Network.  A number
of other group members introduced themselves and gave their affiliations.

2.  Presentation
Klaus Fuller, German educator, gave a presentation on his perspectives
in school networking.  He mentioned that some of the pedigogical
potential of networks is that using them in instruction can encourage
students to read, write, follow discourse and discussion, and practice
foreign language as a means of communication rather than as a classroom
exercise.  For teachers, the use of networks can allow for collaboration.
In teaching students about networks, they learn a new means of infor-
mation retrieval, how to make (local and international) contacts, and
how to use network resources.  Klaus emphasized the use of email and
suggested that email-only, rather than full Internet access, may serve
many schools very well.  He suggested that non-technical teacher
training materials, developed by teachers on the net, are sorely needed.
He will be giving a teacher training course on 20 September and is
looking for teacher volunteers around the world to coordinate with him.
If interested, contact Klaus at <klausf@osgo.ks.he.schule.de>de>.

Klaus then gave an overview of the domain naming of schools in Germany,
which follows the scheme of school_name.county_name.state_name.schule.de.

Finally, Klaus mentioned the technical issues and barriers to elementary
and secondary school networking, some of which are that there are no
technical people at the local level, materials for technical training
are scarce, software is needed to simplify use of the network, and schools
without LANs and only stand-alone machines need to be considered.

For further information, send mail to <postmaster@schule.de>de>.

3.  Review of FAQ Document
The FAQ Document, which is now in Internet Draft status as draft-ietf-
isn-faq-01.txt, will be an RFC FYI document by the time of the Houston
IETF in November.  There will be information added on "low-low" level
connectivity, that is, mail and news only.  The document is currently
extremely US-centric, and those outside the US are encouraged to give
input that will help broaden it, both in choice of vocabulary and in
scope.  It is hoped that all members of the working group will not only
review the document themselves but also disseminate it to the educators
with whom they work, for review and comment.  A number of comments for
improvement were made during the meeting.  Thanks to all who gave
feedback, and please follow up by posting the feedback electronically
to this list or directly to Jennifer Sellers <sellers@nsipo.nasa.gov>ov>.

4.  Connectivity Models document

The group discussed the document "Connectivity Models for Internet
Access," <models.mar93/a.psc.edu> by Gene Hastings <hastings@psc.edu>du>,
who was unable to be present.  Ellen Hoffman of Merit Networks, one of
the co-chairs for the UserDoc2 working group, will coordinate with Gene
and Jennifer to add to the beginning of the connectivity models
document some general issues covered in the How to Connect document of
the UserDoc2 group.  The ISN group hopes to release the document as at
minimum an Internet Draft, and possibly an RFC FYI, by the Houston IETF
in November.

5.  Review and Revise Charter
The milestone which states that the group will release a directory
(X.500) of people involved in networks in elementary and secondary
education was revised.  It had been expected that Merit would receive
funds to carry out much of this task, and those funds were not
forthcoming.  Additionally, it is outside the scope of a working group
to maintain data, and in order to make this directory useful, data
would need to be maintained.  Some discussion of directory services
offered by the InterNIC ensued, and April Marine will coordinate with
InterNIC staff to discover what precisely is available and if it might
serve the original intent of the group's milestone.  April will also
talk to the players in RIPE who might be able to coordinate the service
in Europe.

The text of the charter was also discussed, and the group agreed that
a few key concepts should be incorporated into the new charter:  that
the group be international in focus, that the wording "primary and
secondary" (education) replace "K-12," and that the group could be
most useful by identifying barriers and/or problems in the area of
school networking around the world and proposing solutions.  It will
also work to identify gaps where solutions are not readily available
or don't seem to be on the horizon.  Klaus Fueller <klausf@osgo.ks.he.he.
schule.de>, Bruce Nelson <bnelson@novell.com>om>, and Aad Nienhuis
<aad@educ.uva.nl> volunteered to craft a draft charter and post it
to the ISN-WG list for comments.

The meeting lasted approximately two hours and was adjourned around
15:30 local time.  Thanks to Ray Harder who took noes for the minutes
during the meeting.