ISN WG minutes - Seattle IETF
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IETF Internet School Networking Working Group (ISN-WG) Minutes Seattle, Washington 29th IETF Internet School Networking Working Group (ISN-WG) Meeting 30 March 1994 9:30 a.m. -- 12 noon Joyce K. Reynolds and John Clement, acting co-chairs There were 50 participants. The roster was circulated. Participants present at the start of the meeting introduced themselves. 1. Review of charter, milestones, current documents and activities. Joyce Reynolds reviewed the charter and summarized milestones for March and July 1994. Activities are on time for this and the next IETF. A new Request for Comments (RFC) is now available, produced by Jennifer Sellers: FYI 22: RFC 1578: Title: FYI on Questions and Answers -- Answers to Commonly Asked "Primary and Secondary School Internet User" Questions Author: J. Sellers Mailbox: sellers@quest.arc.nasa.gov Pages: 53 Characters: 113,646 Updates/Obsoletes: none A new Internet-Draft (I-D) is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories: Title: K-12 Internetworking Guidelines Author(s): J. Gargano, D. Wasley Pages: 20 Date: 2/25/1994 2. Status report on ISN task: "Define the information to be included in an online database of educational people involved in networking, recommend a process for collecting and updating the data, and coordinate with a directory services provider to implement the database." April Marine reported on activities in this task. The volunteers (Sallie Fellows, Sally Laughon, April Marine) had agreed that this was a "white pages" task; they scouted for resources, and located Sally Laughon's collection of teacher profiles derived from subscribers to the KIDSPHERE mailing list. A preliminary list of data items for the database was offered for discussion. It included: Name: Postal Address: Email Address(es): Phone Number(s): Fax Number: Title/function: Name of school: Location of school: Ages of children taught: Subjects taught: In discussion, it was suggested that a free field for interests and/or one for projects in which the educator was involved be included. A preliminary list of requirements for the database was also presented: a. Collect and maintain data, including periodic reverification. b. Provide an easy, automatic method for self-registration. c. Provide an easy, automatic method for database registrants to update their information. d. Provide for authentication and for maintaining privacy of certain information. e. Provide an easy search interface. Questions were raised about the feasibility of items b. and c. There is an RFC out on privacy concerns and NIC operations (Holbrook, P., and J. Reynolds, Editors, "Site Security Handbook", FYI 8, RFC 1244, CICNet, ISI, July 1991). Basic issues relevant to the educators database are that, if you enroll a person they should know and agree to it, they should know how to be taken off (if it is possible), and they should know how to alter their entry. It was mentioned that a project to implement a distributed database for school people using the Whois++ protocol is under consideration by CNIDR and collaborators. CNIDR will share information on this project on the ISN-WG mailing list as it gets underway. Sepideh Boroumand of NASA-Goddard, Jill Hanson of WSIPC, Allan Cargille of U-Wisconsin-Madison and Brian Lloyd of Lloyd Internetworking offered to help by collecting information on schools for whom they support connectivity. Next steps discussed were to prepare a writeup of the database requirements and data elements, and to discuss with CNIDR the collection of data and the establishment of a prototype database. It does not seem likely at this point that a prototype will be available for testing and discussion by 30th IETF in July. 3. Acceptable Use Policies (AUP) document. Bill Manning presented the draft document that Don Perkins and he had developed and circulated on the ISN-WG mailing list. It was emphasized that the document was envisioned as a guide for schools, districts or other educational network providers to develop their own AUPs, but was not itself an AUP statement. A discussion ensued about the need for specific examples of AUPs to be made available. It was suggested that the AUP for the CoVis project (Louis Gomez and Roy Pea, Northwestern University), which includes considerable explanatory material, be appended to the draft document. The Armadillo gopher (gopher: riceinfogopher.rice.edu (port 1170)) contains a number of AUPs; it was suggested that pointers to school and educational network provider AUPs be included in the document. It was mentioned that legal counsel for school districts often review proposed AUPs, so these documents will almost invariably be customized. It was mentioned that the question of teaching the users about the AUP often comes up. Bill Manning offered to revise the draft document to add pointers to model AUPs, to include the CoVis AUP as an example in an appendix, and to include information about user training. The working group accepted the document as revised as an Internet-Draft. [Note: This I-D has just been posted to the Internet-Drafts repositories on 5 April: draft-ietf-isn-aup-00.txt.] 4. Status report on ISN task: "Write a set of two documents, one aimed at connection providers and the other aimed at educational sites, providing guidelines for bringing educational sites online. Included will be a broad definition of connection providers. Avri Doria presented an outline of an educational user document. The volunteers (Ann Cooper, Avri Doria, Dave Livingston) suggested that the document would take the form of an annotated bibliography of about ten pages in length, with short entries for each item. The outline includes: a. What is the Internet? b. What types of services are available to educators? c. What types of physical connections are available? d. Where would one go to get connected? e. What is involved in getting hooked up? f. What are school personnel responsibilities? g. What forms of training and support are needed? h. What issues of "netiquette" are involved? i. Glossary. j. Bibliography. k. Useful addresses and phone numbers. It was pointed out that the document outlined would inevitably be larger than ten pages; there was some uncertainty expressed about whether the proposed format would work. Avri Doria requested more volunteers to help identify gaps in the outline, to review the document, and to identify resources to cite in the document. Sepideh Boroumand, Jill Hanson, Brian Lloyd and April Marine volunteered. It was agreed that the outline would be posted to the list and developed further, for discussion at the 30th IETF in Toronto. A discussion ensued on the need for a document oriented toward network service providers. It was suggested that service provider representatives should volunteer to work on the document. The group agreed to postpone discussion of a document oriented to service providers for the next IETF. Gene Hastings presented a document authored by himself and Bob Carlitz, "Stages of Internet Connectivity for School Networking," and distributed copies. The group agreed that the document should be put online as an Internet-Draft. Gene Hastings and Joyce Reynolds will work on getting author approval, etc., and to proceed to publish this document as an I-D. The question was raised of making documents available via fax; Susan Calcari said the InterNIC is considering establishing a fax-based distribution system. 5. Discussion of the Gargano-Wasley (G-W) Internet-Draft. Questions raised included: o Is the document too closely oriented toward system administrators? It was suggested that the target audience for this document is really educational administrators, with the document aiming to explain in clear, predominantly nontechnical language what connectivity options they have. It was emphasized that some 30 California educators have examined the draft prior to its posting, and they helped determine the technical level. o Is there overlap between the G-W draft and the Carlitz-Hastings (C-H) draft? It was suggested that both were complementary; the C-H draft goes into greater technical depth, while the G-W draft document focuses more closely on the internal requirements of schools. Other issues were briefly discussed. It was noted to the authors of the G-W document that Frame Relay was not mentioned in the I-D. The draft will be revised and reissued by David Wasley to include a discussion of Frame Relay. The G-W document will not include training and support information; it was suggested that those issues be discussed in another document. It was agreed by the working group that the Gargano-Wasley would be submitted for FYI RFC publication.
- ISN WG minutes - Seattle IETF Joyce Reynolds
- Re: ISN WG minutes - Seattle IETF April Marine