Minutes of the ISN meeting at Columbus IETF
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The Internet School Networking Working Group met on April 1, 1993 at 1:30 during the Columbus IETF. The session was chaired by Art St. George (University of New Mexico) and Connie Stout (Texas Education Network). Jennifer Sellers, representing the NASA NREN group, said that the K-12 networking Frequently Asked Questions document would be made into a standard before the Amsterdam IETF. She solicited comments for changes. She said she will post the document to Kidsnet and other mailing lists for review. A quick poll revealed that there were no K-12 educators in the room, with Connie Stout the having the most direct involvement. Many in the room were involved in helping to get K-12 schools on the Internet, either as consultants, or as part of their jobs as network support people for universities or regional networks, or as consultants to K-12 schools, or out of personal interest. The observation was made that people supporting K-12 networking needed to continue their dialogue with the K-12 community, since their physical attendance at IETF was inlikely. Stout observed that some technical staff working for K-12 schools might attend future IETFs. There was some discussion of how K-12 schools should pursue funding for networking. Several observed that in some cases funding can be easy to come by with the right demonstration of need. Some attendees pointed out the inter-district funding disparities affect ability to network. Bill Manning, Rob Raisch, and a couple of other attendees said they would help devise a list of benefits of networking. Ray Perry of US West said his organization has prepared a video that shows advantages of network connectivity. Stout stated that she has met with 22 institutions involved with K-12 networking initiatives. Someone expressed a need for a list of all K-12 initiatives under way. Another attendee asked if private and parochial schools should be part of these initiatives; Stout's answer was "yes." A distinction was raised between promotional versus "how to" documents; there is a need for both. It was observed that there is a wide range of skill levels among those interested in starting K-12 networks, and that there is a bootstrap process required to bring new schools and support staff online. There was some discussion on how to spread the word more broadly. One suggestion was giving talks at teacher conferences. Brochures from the Consortium for School Networking were handed out. (Stout is the chair; St. George is the Secretary- Treasurer. Their Listserv is COSNDISC@bitnic.bitnet; subscribe via a mail message with "SUBSCRIBE COSNDISC First_name Last_name". General email goes to cosn@bitnic.bitnet.) Gene Hastings handed out (!) a document that lists a variety of connection options for K-12 schools. The document was a menu of options from dialup to frame relay and all points in between. There was some concern this document would overwhelm new sites. Consensus was eventually reached that the document fills a definite need and it should be refined and enhanced with another, more general document. Hastings mentioned documents available for anonymous ftp from ftp.cc.berkeley.edu, under /k12. Stout observed that the average school has 2 phone lines serving 22 instruments. Connectivity can be a challenge. John Postel, one of the architects of Internet Domain Name Service, spoke on the evolution of DNS and the challenges presented by growing use of the name space. He proposed a model for delegating management of K-12 names to the states, where state authorities would manage names of the form: computer.school.k12.state.us This announcement led to some lively discussions. Stout observed that the "edu" domain was being used for universities exclusively in that model, and that K-12 educators felt that, as educators, the name belonged to them as well. She suggested that universities out to use a new "uni" domain, and leave "edu" for the schools. This led to some discussion as to how this is handled abroad. In the U.K. it's ".ac" for "academic community." A gentleman from Germany told their practice (which sounded like the word "school" is used). Stout observed that statewide education networks also need to be given .edu names; e.g. tenet.edu. Bill Manning pointed out that the question of whether domain names should be geographical or organizational is an old one. With 10 million Internet nodes online now and another 10 million coming something must be done to manage the name space in a distributed fashion. Bruce Nelson spoke on ISOC/K12 committee issues. He said there is a need for K-12 focus within the Internet Society -- someone who serves as spokesperson. He said the group needs to be sure to include an international perspective. He does not see the need for an advocacy group per se, but he does see a need to infuse ISOC with a K-12 perspective. There was more discussion of the various initiatives for K-12 networking. St. George asked if there was a need for a registry of consultants/advisers who can help new efforts. Discussion was inconclusive on this point.
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- Re: Minutes of the ISN meeting at Columbus IETF Jennifer Sellers
- Re: Minutes of the ISN meeting at Columbus IETF William Manning
- Re: Minutes of the ISN meeting at Columbus IETF Raymond G. Harder
- Re: Minutes of the ISN meeting at Columbus IETF Raymond G. Harder
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- Re: ID ACTION:draft-ietf-isn-faq-02.txt Jennifer Sellers