Re: [clouds] A cloud ref. framework for your review and comments

Paul Unbehagen <paul@unbehagen.net> Fri, 30 July 2010 18:20 UTC

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:20:41 +0200
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Subject: Re: [clouds] A cloud ref. framework for your review and comments
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Along that vein of thought the network components are just as important as more and more private clouds get built. 

Not saying that we need to invent a new term, but we should not forget the components being built to support the connectivity and flexibility of the cloud. 

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On Jul 30, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Sam Johnston <sj@google.com> wrote:

> Every man and his dog is trying to [re]define cloud so I would be quite happy for us to leave this well alone, which is to say I don't accept the opening premise that "Currently there is no Standard Reference Framework for Cloud Services, so first we need to develop a Reference Framework".
> 
> If we must then I would suggest working with the already well accepted 3 layer stack:
> Application
> Platform
> Infrastructure
> If you want a functional taxonomy (that is, one which is capable of categorising everything in the space without polluting these service layers with products) then you can add server and client layers ala:
> Client (Android, iOS, etc.)
> Application (Gmail, Salesforce.com, MS BPOS, etc.)
> Platform (Azure, App Engine, Heroku, etc.)
> Infrastructure (Amazon EC2, EBS, VPC, etc.)
> Server (Cisco UCS, SGI CloudRack, etc.)
> Note that these two additional layers are typically products (hardware and/or software) while the three main layers are always services.
> 
> There's no need to find/create complexity where there need be none.
> 
> Sam
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> On 30 July 2010 17:41, Fargano, Michael <Michael.Fargano@qwest.com> wrote:
> Bhumip:
> 
> I was not at the BoF. I was just wondering how the proposed framework relates to commonly understood Cloud terms like IaaS, PaaS, SaaS...??? For example see NIST Definition of Cloud: http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/SNS/cloud-computing/index.html
> 
> I'm sure you discussed this at the BoD. Perhaps an explanation in the slide deck would help.
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike
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> ________________________________________
> From: clouds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:clouds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bhumip Khasnabish
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 4:38 AM
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> Subject: [clouds] A cloud ref. framework for your review and comments
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> After the Clouds bar BoF yesterday, a few of us got together to work on
> developing a simple Cloud reference framework.
> Attached pls find the output of that discussion.
> 
> We look forward to your constructive comments and suggestions to improve
> and finalize the ref. framework. Thanks  a lot.
> 
> Best Regards.
> Bhumip
> 
> Bhumip Khasnabish (Mobile:+001-781-752-8003, vumip1@gmail.com)
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