Re: [clouds] A cloud ref. framework for your review and comments

Along that vein of thought the network components are just as important as more and more private clouds get built. 

Not saying that we need to invent a new term, but we should not forget the components being built to support the connectivity and flexibility of the cloud. 

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Paul Unbehagen

from my iPhone 

On Jul 30, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Sam Johnston <sj@google.com> wrote:

> Every man and his dog is trying to [re]define cloud so I would be quite happy for us to leave this well alone, which is to say I don't accept the opening premise that "Currently there is no Standard Reference Framework for Cloud Services, so first we need to develop a Reference Framework".
> 
> If we must then I would suggest working with the already well accepted 3 layer stack:
> Application
> Platform
> Infrastructure
> If you want a functional taxonomy (that is, one which is capable of categorising everything in the space without polluting these service layers with products) then you can add server and client layers ala:
> Client (Android, iOS, etc.)
> Application (Gmail, Salesforce.com, MS BPOS, etc.)
> Platform (Azure, App Engine, Heroku, etc.)
> Infrastructure (Amazon EC2, EBS, VPC, etc.)
> Server (Cisco UCS, SGI CloudRack, etc.)
> Note that these two additional layers are typically products (hardware and/or software) while the three main layers are always services.
> 
> There's no need to find/create complexity where there need be none.
> 
> Sam
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> On 30 July 2010 17:41, Fargano, Michael <Michael.Fargano@qwest.com> wrote:
> Bhumip:
> 
> I was not at the BoF. I was just wondering how the proposed framework relates to commonly understood Cloud terms like IaaS, PaaS, SaaS...??? For example see NIST Definition of Cloud: http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/SNS/cloud-computing/index.html
> 
> I'm sure you discussed this at the BoD. Perhaps an explanation in the slide deck would help.
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike
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> From: clouds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:clouds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bhumip Khasnabish
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 4:38 AM
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> Subject: [clouds] A cloud ref. framework for your review and comments
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> Dear All,
> 
> After the Clouds bar BoF yesterday, a few of us got together to work on
> developing a simple Cloud reference framework.
> Attached pls find the output of that discussion.
> 
> We look forward to your constructive comments and suggestions to improve
> and finalize the ref. framework. Thanks  a lot.
> 
> Best Regards.
> Bhumip
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