Re: [clouds] Announcing Clouds bar BoF during IETF-77 (March, 2010, Anaheim, CA)

Ole Jacobsen <ole@cisco.com> Mon, 22 February 2010 21:15 UTC

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:15:41 -0800
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Subject: Re: [clouds] Announcing Clouds bar BoF during IETF-77 (March, 2010, Anaheim, CA)
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I agree with Dave and offer the following article (in two parts) for 
further background reading. (The second part will be available in 
printed form in Anaheim):

http://www.cisco.com/web/about/ac123/ac147/archived_issues/ipj_12-3/123_cloud1.html

and

http://www.cisco.com/web/about/ac123/ac147/archived_issues/ipj_12-4/124_cloud2.html

(Whole issues can also be downloaded in PDF format).

We now return to our regular scheduled programming and discussions 
about how to get from various airports to Disneyland.

Ole

Ole J. Jacobsen
Editor and Publisher,  The Internet Protocol Journal
Cisco Systems
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On Mon, 22 Feb 2010, Dave CROCKER wrote:

> Having recently gone through the exercise of trying to understand what these
> different terms actually meant, I discovered that the underlying problem is
> that you are both right, as are a variety of other people who have other
> views...
> 
> As already noted, the term 'cloud' is now used in many different ways,
> including as a synonym for 'network' and for 'Internet', even amongst
> technical folk. (Really.)
> 
> There are some people who have very specific and nuanced technical
> definitions, including distinguishing cloud from grid.  But no set of
> definitions seems to have a broad base of support.
> 
> For defining 'cloud', one group I'm participating in decided it was happy with
> the NIST language:
> 
>    <http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/SNS/cloud-computing/cloud-def-v15.doc>
> 
> d/
> 
> -- 
> 
>   Dave Crocker
>   Brandenburg InternetWorking
>   bbiw.net

Re: [clouds] Announcing Clouds bar BoF during IET… Dave CROCKER
[clouds] Announcing Clouds bar BoF during IETF-77… Bhumip Khasnabish
Re: [clouds] Announcing Clouds bar BoF during IET… Melinda Shore
Re: [clouds] Announcing Clouds bar BoF during IET… Dave CROCKER
Re: [clouds] Announcing Clouds bar BoF during IET… Melinda Shore
Re: [clouds] Announcing Clouds bar BoF during IET… Paul Hoffman
Re: [clouds] Announcing Clouds bar BoF during IET… Sam Johnston
Re: [clouds] Announcing Clouds bar BoF during IET… Tim Bray
Re: [clouds] Announcing Clouds bar BoF during IET… Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
Re: [clouds] Announcing Clouds bar BoF during IET… Michael Richardson
Re: [clouds] Announcing Clouds bar BoF during IET… Brian E Carpenter
Re: [clouds] Announcing Clouds bar BoF during IET… Ole Jacobsen
Re: [clouds] Announcing Clouds bar BoF during IET… Brian E Carpenter
Re: [clouds] Announcing Clouds bar BoF during IET… Tony Finch
Re: [clouds] Announcing Clouds bar BoF during IET… Scott Brim
Re: [clouds] Announcing Clouds bar BoF during IET… Jeff Wheeler (jewheele)
Re: [clouds] Announcing Clouds bar BoF during IET… Brian E Carpenter
Re: [clouds] Announcing Clouds bar BoF during IET… Phillip Hallam-baker