Re: [clouds] Announcing Clouds bar BoF during IETF-77 (March, 2010, Anaheim, CA)

Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> Tue, 23 February 2010 00:43 UTC

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Subject: Re: [clouds] Announcing Clouds bar BoF during IETF-77 (March, 2010, Anaheim, CA)
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> If you're proposing OGF you should look at the 6 or 7 other SDOs doing
> useful work on clouds, e.g. the DMTF.  It's a complex situation.

I would have said "ridiculous" actually.  So much standards energy, so
little shipping technology. -Tim