Re: [clouds] IESG/IAB response to the Clouds BOF request in Beijing
Alexey Melnikov <alexey.melnikov@isode.com> Fri, 17 September 2010 20:14 UTC
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Marc Blanchet wrote: > Le 10-09-17 16:03, Alexey Melnikov a écrit : > >> (Speaking as myself now): >> >> I decided to look at the latest list of deliverabled in order to get >> some idea of how different proposed work items fit into different IETF >> Areas: > > but, these days, most protocols touch many areas. A good example of > this is security: most if not all protocols has a security component. > > So we shall live with some overlap. We shall define specific topics > and find the best home for the potential wg. Agreed. > To me, the problem is not that much of which or all areas, but instead > a more focused, more scoped approach to the problem in the charter. > identifying the best area comes somewhat later (to me, but I'm not an > AD). A successful BOF/WG can cover multiple areas, but if it covers most of the areas, this is a good indicator that the effort is not focused enough to be successful. > Mar.c > >>> The deliverables of the working group are as follows: >>> >>> A survey of activities of the Cloud Standards Development >>> Organizations (SDOs) and Working Groups (WGs) will be conducted and >>> the results will be analyzed for publication as an informational >>> Internet draft. This will be based on the >>> draft-khasnabish-cloud-survey-00.txt (available at >>> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/Clouds). Tentative >>> publication date is March 2011. >>> >>> A Cloud reference framework will be developed using the currently >>> available and widely recognized Cloud Reference Frameworks. This will >>> be based on the information that that are being collected in >>> Khasnabish-et-al-IETF-78-Cloud-Reference-Framework-v3b-5Aug2010.ppt >>> (available at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/Clouds). >>> Tentative publication date is July 2011. >>> >> This can live in Apps, but in general IETF is not very successful in >> dealing with reference frameworks. >> >>> A survey of industry gaps in terms of work items related to exposing >>> Cloud resources, and provisioning and managing cloud-based services >>> will be conducted. This will not only help us identify the area where >>> open, hybrid, and proprietary mechanism are utilized, it will also >>> enable us prioritize the work items. This will be published as an >>> Informational Internet draft >>> (draft-Khasnabish-et-al-cloud-Industry-gap-00) in July 2011 using the >>> materials that are already available in >>> Khasnabish-et-al-cloud-Industry-gap-v3-Sept10.pdf (available at >>> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/Clouds). >>> >> O&M >> >>> A draft on cloud-based video streaming service will be prepared using >>> the mechanism that is presented during IETF-78 Clouds bar BoF >>> (draft-wei-dewar-cloud-video-sreaming-00 based on >>> Wei-Dewar-IETF-78-Clouds-bar-BoF-Cloud-Video-Streaming-29July10.pdf, >>> available at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/Clouds). >>> This will be published in July 2011. >>> >> RAI. >> >>> A draft related to HTTP enhancement will be developed for use in >>> client and platform side APIs. That draft will be based on the >>> proposal that has been presented during IETF-78 Clouds bar BoF >>> (Johnston-IETF-78-Clouds-bar-BoF-Std-Gap-28July10.pdf) and is >>> available at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/Clouds. >>> Tentative publication date for this draft is July 2011. >>> >> Apps. >> >>> A draft on maintaining Logs of Cloud services will be prepared using >>> the proposal presented in draft-golovinsky-cloudlog-00 >>> (Golovinsky-IETF-78-Clouds-bar-BoF-Cloud-Logging-28July10.pptx, >>> available at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/Clouds) and >>> the tentative publication date for this draft is July 2011. >>> >> Apps or O&M >> >>> A draft on Cloud service auditing will be prepared by Hoff, Johnston, >>> Sapiro, and Reese using the existing draft-hoff-cloudaudit-00. >>> Publication date for this draft is November 2011. >>> >> O&M >> >>> Two drafts are being proposed for address resolution and VPN extension >>> to private clouds. These are draft-dunbar-arp-for-large-dc-* >>> (Dunbar-et-al-IETF-78-Clouds-bar-BoF-Cloud-Address-Resolution-28July10.pdf, >>> >>> available at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/Clouds), >>> >> This looks like ARMD BOF that was received by the Int Area. >> >>> and draft-ning-vepc-requirements-* >>> (So-et-al-IETF-78-Clouds-bar-BoF-VEPC-Req-28July2010.ppt, available at >>> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/Clouds). These are >>> tentatively scheduled for publication in March 2012. >> >> Internet Area >> >>> A draft specifying protocols for supporting and maintaining intra- and >>> inter-domain mobility of resources will be prepared using the concepts >>> presented in >>> Morrow-IETF-78-Clouds-bar-BoF-Resource-Mobility-28July10.pdf >>> >>> (available at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/Clouds). >>> This draft draft-morrow-cloud-resource-mobility-00 will be published >>> in July 2012. >> >> Internet Area >> >>> The group will also prepare (i) a draft specifying the management >>> information model for virtual networks in Platform-as-a-Service (PaaS) >>> that are using server virtualization using >>> Okita-Clouds-VNM-model-for-PaaS-Sept10.pdf (available at >>> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/Clouds) with publication >>> date of Sept. 2012, and (ii) a draft on Virtualization and mobility of >>> core IMS (IP multimedia sub-system) resources using >>> Yokota-Clouds-Telecom-Net-Virtualization-Sept10.pdf (available at >>> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/Clouds) with publication >>> date TBD. >> >> O&M. >> >>> A few additional proposals are currently being socialized through >>> discussions in clouds@ietf.org and the weekly conference calls. These >>> include the following: (1) Development of Virtual desktop for mobile >>> clients, >> >> Apps or RAI. >> >>> and (2) Cloud security and service trustworthiness. >> >> Security. >> >>> These will be presented during subsequent Clouds meeting, and the >>> related drafts will be published in future. >> -- IETF Application Area Director, <http://www.ietf.org/iesg/members.html> Internet Messaging Team Lead, <http://www.isode.com> JID: same as my email address
- [clouds] IESG/IAB response to the Clouds BOF requ… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [clouds] IESG/IAB response to the Clouds BOF … Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [clouds] IESG/IAB response to the Clouds BOF … Marc Blanchet
- Re: [clouds] IESG/IAB response to the Clouds BOF … Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [clouds] IESG/IAB response to the Clouds BOF … Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [clouds] IESG/IAB response to the Clouds BOF … Bhumip Khasnabish
- Re: [clouds] IESG/IAB response to the Clouds BOF … Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [clouds] IESG/IAB response to the Clouds BOF … Bhumip Khasnabish