Re: [clouds] IESG/IAB response to the Clouds BOF request in Beijing

Alexey Melnikov <alexey.melnikov@isode.com> Fri, 17 September 2010 20:14 UTC

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Marc Blanchet wrote:

> Le 10-09-17 16:03, Alexey Melnikov a écrit :
>
>> (Speaking as myself now):
>>
>> I decided to look at the latest list of deliverabled in order to get
>> some idea of how different proposed work items fit into different IETF
>> Areas:
>
> but, these days, most protocols touch many areas. A good example of 
> this is security: most if not all protocols has a security component.
>
> So we shall live with some overlap. We shall define specific topics 
> and find the best home for the potential wg.

Agreed.

> To me, the problem is not that much of which or all areas, but instead 
> a more focused, more scoped approach to the problem in the charter. 
> identifying the best area comes somewhat later (to me, but I'm not an 
> AD).

A successful BOF/WG can cover multiple areas, but if it covers most of 
the areas, this is a good indicator that the effort is not focused 
enough to be successful.

> Mar.c
>
>>> The deliverables of the working group are as follows:
>>>
>>> A survey of activities of the Cloud Standards Development
>>> Organizations (SDOs) and Working Groups (WGs) will be conducted and
>>> the results will be analyzed for publication as an informational
>>> Internet draft. This will be based on the
>>> draft-khasnabish-cloud-survey-00.txt (available at
>>> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/Clouds). Tentative
>>> publication date is March 2011.
>>>
>>> A Cloud reference framework will be developed using the currently
>>> available and widely recognized Cloud Reference Frameworks. This will
>>> be based on the information that that are being collected in
>>> Khasnabish-et-al-IETF-78-Cloud-Reference-Framework-v3b-5Aug2010.ppt
>>> (available at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/Clouds).
>>> Tentative publication date is July 2011.
>>>
>> This can live in Apps, but in general IETF is not very successful in
>> dealing with reference frameworks.
>>
>>> A survey of industry gaps in terms of work items related to exposing
>>> Cloud resources, and provisioning and managing cloud-based services
>>> will be conducted. This will not only help us identify the area where
>>> open, hybrid, and proprietary mechanism are utilized, it will also
>>> enable us prioritize the work items. This will be published as an
>>> Informational Internet draft
>>> (draft-Khasnabish-et-al-cloud-Industry-gap-00) in July 2011 using the
>>> materials that are already available in
>>> Khasnabish-et-al-cloud-Industry-gap-v3-Sept10.pdf (available at
>>> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/Clouds).
>>>
>> O&M
>>
>>> A draft on cloud-based video streaming service will be prepared using
>>> the mechanism that is presented during IETF-78 Clouds bar BoF
>>> (draft-wei-dewar-cloud-video-sreaming-00 based on
>>> Wei-Dewar-IETF-78-Clouds-bar-BoF-Cloud-Video-Streaming-29July10.pdf,
>>> available at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/Clouds).
>>> This will be published in July 2011.
>>>
>> RAI.
>>
>>> A draft related to HTTP enhancement will be developed for use in
>>> client and platform side APIs. That draft will be based on the
>>> proposal that has been presented during IETF-78 Clouds bar BoF
>>> (Johnston-IETF-78-Clouds-bar-BoF-Std-Gap-28July10.pdf) and is
>>> available at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/Clouds.
>>> Tentative publication date for this draft is July 2011.
>>>
>> Apps.
>>
>>> A draft on maintaining Logs of Cloud services will be prepared using
>>> the proposal presented in draft-golovinsky-cloudlog-00
>>> (Golovinsky-IETF-78-Clouds-bar-BoF-Cloud-Logging-28July10.pptx,
>>> available at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/Clouds) and
>>> the tentative publication date for this draft is July 2011.
>>>
>> Apps or O&M
>>
>>> A draft on Cloud service auditing will be prepared by Hoff, Johnston,
>>> Sapiro, and Reese using the existing draft-hoff-cloudaudit-00.
>>> Publication date for this draft is November 2011.
>>>
>> O&M
>>
>>> Two drafts are being proposed for address resolution and VPN extension
>>> to private clouds. These are draft-dunbar-arp-for-large-dc-*
>>> (Dunbar-et-al-IETF-78-Clouds-bar-BoF-Cloud-Address-Resolution-28July10.pdf, 
>>>
>>> available at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/Clouds),
>>>
>> This looks like ARMD BOF that was received by the Int Area.
>>
>>> and draft-ning-vepc-requirements-*
>>> (So-et-al-IETF-78-Clouds-bar-BoF-VEPC-Req-28July2010.ppt, available at
>>> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/Clouds). These are
>>> tentatively scheduled for publication in March 2012.
>>
>> Internet Area
>>
>>> A draft specifying protocols for supporting and maintaining intra- and
>>> inter-domain mobility of resources will be prepared using the concepts
>>> presented in 
>>> Morrow-IETF-78-Clouds-bar-BoF-Resource-Mobility-28July10.pdf
>>>
>>> (available at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/Clouds).
>>> This draft draft-morrow-cloud-resource-mobility-00 will be published
>>> in July 2012.
>>
>> Internet Area
>>
>>> The group will also prepare (i) a draft specifying the management
>>> information model for virtual networks in Platform-as-a-Service (PaaS)
>>> that are using server virtualization using
>>> Okita-Clouds-VNM-model-for-PaaS-Sept10.pdf (available at
>>> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/Clouds) with publication
>>> date of Sept. 2012, and (ii) a draft on Virtualization and mobility of
>>> core IMS (IP multimedia sub-system) resources using
>>> Yokota-Clouds-Telecom-Net-Virtualization-Sept10.pdf (available at
>>> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/Clouds) with publication
>>> date TBD.
>>
>> O&M.
>>
>>> A few additional proposals are currently being socialized through
>>> discussions in clouds@ietf.org and the weekly conference calls. These
>>> include the following: (1) Development of Virtual desktop for mobile
>>> clients,
>>
>> Apps or RAI.
>>
>>> and (2) Cloud security and service trustworthiness.
>>
>> Security.
>>
>>> These will be presented during subsequent Clouds meeting, and the
>>> related drafts will be published in future.
>>
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