Re: [clouds] Announcing Clouds bar BoF during IETF-77 (March, 2010, Anaheim, CA)

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Mon, 22 February 2010 22:10 UTC

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Subject: Re: [clouds] Announcing Clouds bar BoF during IETF-77 (March, 2010, Anaheim, CA)
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Well yes, everybody's right in this area, since the terminology
is so fuzzy and so infected by marketing noise. In any case, I am
not for a moment saying: don't hold a Bar BOF. It seems like an
excellent idea to talk about it. What I am saying is: our sister
standards body the OGF seems like the natural home for this
topic, and we have to be very precise in defining scope to avoid
overlap and confusion.

Regards
   Brian

On 2010-02-23 10:15, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
> I agree with Dave and offer the following article (in two parts) for 
> further background reading. (The second part will be available in 
> printed form in Anaheim):
> 
> http://www.cisco.com/web/about/ac123/ac147/archived_issues/ipj_12-3/123_cloud1.html
> 
> and
> 
> http://www.cisco.com/web/about/ac123/ac147/archived_issues/ipj_12-4/124_cloud2.html
> 
> (Whole issues can also be downloaded in PDF format).
> 
> We now return to our regular scheduled programming and discussions 
> about how to get from various airports to Disneyland.
> 
> Ole
> 
> Ole J. Jacobsen
> Editor and Publisher,  The Internet Protocol Journal
> Cisco Systems
> Tel: +1 408-527-8972   Mobile: +1 415-370-4628
> E-mail: ole@cisco.com  URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj
> 
> 
> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010, Dave CROCKER wrote:
> 
>> Having recently gone through the exercise of trying to understand what these
>> different terms actually meant, I discovered that the underlying problem is
>> that you are both right, as are a variety of other people who have other
>> views...
>>
>> As already noted, the term 'cloud' is now used in many different ways,
>> including as a synonym for 'network' and for 'Internet', even amongst
>> technical folk. (Really.)
>>
>> There are some people who have very specific and nuanced technical
>> definitions, including distinguishing cloud from grid.  But no set of
>> definitions seems to have a broad base of support.
>>
>> For defining 'cloud', one group I'm participating in decided it was happy with
>> the NIST language:
>>
>>    <http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/SNS/cloud-computing/cloud-def-v15.doc>
>>
>> d/
>>
>> -- 
>>
>>   Dave Crocker
>>   Brandenburg InternetWorking
>>   bbiw.net
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