Re: [clouds] Clouds SDO gap analysis template (a Table)
Mark Webb <mwebb@cisco.com> Thu, 27 May 2010 13:16 UTC
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Linda, In principle I think you have a good point that I agree with in the longer term. I think if the IETF community wants to be relevant to whatever cloud computing is, then the group needs to find something within the scope of IETF _and_ not already being worked by some other SDO or forum where a significant contribution, (job to be done, problem to be solved) needs to be made. I see the "gap analysis" as only a means to that end, (identify a real concrete problem & potential solution in need of standardization at this point in time for cloud). Keeping all possible outcomes in play also means to me that IETF may have no _significant_ new cloud value at this snapshot in time, (as unpopular as that may be). Mark Webb PS: with the understanding that individuals, groups, organizations will shop SDOs for path of least resistance for their own benefit. On May 27, 2010, at 1:58 AM, Linda Dunbar wrote: > I don’t think it is realistic for IETF to keep up with all the Cloud > work done by other SDO. “Cloud” is just too big a scope for one IETF > working group. We should focus on one concrete problem. Other SDO’s > work will be background and justify why this problem has to be > solved by IETF instead of other SDO. > > > Linda Dunbar > From: clouds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:clouds-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Sam Johnston > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 1:18 PM > To: Mark Carlson > Cc: clouds@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [clouds] Clouds SDO gap analysis template (a Table) > > Bhumip/Mark, > > In terms of gap analysis, I'd be more interested in seeing other > groups feeding into IETF than having it picking up the scraps. I > certainly intend to submit CloudAudit, and ideally [parts of] OCCI > to the I-D/RFC process for a start. IETF is well known for having > clean, interoperable specifications which is something specialist > groups are not so good at. > > Sam > > On 25 May 2010 19:49, Mark Carlson <mark.carlson@oracle.com> wrote: > That's great. When the IETF decides what it wants to do, you should > also create and maintain an entry up there. > > Thanks, > > -- mark > > On 5/25/10 11:15 AM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: > Dear Mark, > > Thanks for your inputs and suggestions. > > Yes, we'll utilize all of the relevant existing information from the > sites that you mention and a few others. > > As you know our objective is to determine the gaps (existing and > emerging) and focus on where IETF can contribute in terms of > standardization (protocol development, protocol extension > recommendation, etc.) and profile development for Cloud-based > services. > > Hope these help clarify matters. > > Thanks again. > > Best. > > Bhumip > > > > On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Mark Carlson <mark.carlson@oracle.com > > wrote: > Bhumip, > > Not sure why you are doing this. The information you need is largely > already > available on http://cloud-standards.org wiki. Each SDO has already > created > an entry describing their cloud work, and they use a standard > template already > to describe each standard. > > For example, here is one for an already finalized standard: > > > http://cloud-standards.org/wiki/index.php?title=SNIA_Cloud_Data_Management_Interface_%28CDMI%29 > > Cloud Standard > > 1. The name of the specification > > SNIA Cloud Data Management Interface > > 2. A short statement (<100 words) of the purpose and function of the > specification The SNIA Cloud Data Management Interface (CDMI) is the > functional interface that applications will use to create, retrieve, > update and delete data elements from the cloud. As part of this > interface the client will be able to discover the capabilities of > the cloud storage offering and use this interface to manage > containers and the data that is placed in them. In addition, > metadata can be set on containers and their contained data elements > through this interface. > > 3. The version number (or other distinct identifier) and date of the > most recently approved version of the specification. > > SNIA Architecture - 1.0 standard > > 4. If the specification is part of a group of explicitly related > specifications from the same source, the name of the group of > specifications. Not applicable > > 5. URI for the normative text of the specification http://www.snia.org/tech_activities/standards/curr_standards/cdmi > > SOURCE > > 6. The name of the SDO that generated/authored/hosted the > specification. Storage Networking Industry Association > > 7. URI for the SDO http://snia.org > > 8. The level of approval that the SDO has conferred on the > specification as described by the SDO's process. SNIA Architecture > (Final Standard) > > 9. The language or languages in which the specification is > available. US English > > SUBJECT > > 10. Which of the categories of Cloud services does the standard > address? (Infrastructure as a Service - IaaS, Data Storage as a > Service - DaaS, Platform as a Service - PaaS, Software as a Service > - SaaS) DaaS (Cloud Storage) > > 11. Does the standard address both functional and management aspects > of the service? Yes. Management is done by setting metadata on > containers of data and individual data elements. The functional > interface allows CRUD semantics for storage of data via HTTP. > > OPTIONAL > > 12. The level of approval of the specification in this generic > lifecycle taxonomy: > > Final standard > > > 13. URI for the applicable SDO's patent and copyright rules, if any, > applicable to development and use of the specification. SNIA IP Policy > > 14. URI for the SDO's posting location, (if any) for notices from > participants or individuals regarding claims under the rules stated > under number 15. SNIA IP Policy > > 15. Interoperability, conformance, or certification test activity > for the specification (by owner name or URI). > > None > > 16. Known implementations of the specification (by owner name or URI). > > The SNIA Cloud Storage TWG is producing an open source reference > implementation. > > 17. A list (or URI pointer to same) of the other specifications* > that are normatively referenced in the specification. > > > [ISO-8601] International Standards Organization, "Data elements and > interchange formats -- Information interchange -- Representation of > dates and times", ISO 8601:20044 -http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=40874 > > [ITU-T509] International Telecommunications Union Telecommunication > Standardization Sector (ITU-T), Recommendation X.509: Information > technology - Open Systems Interconnection - The Directory: Public- > key and attribute certificate frameworks, May 2000. Specification > and technical corrigenda - http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/publications/recs.html > > [RFC2119] IETF RFC 2119. Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate > Requirement Levels -http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt > > [RFC2045] IETF RFC 2045. Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions > (MIME) Part One: Format of Internet Message Bodies -http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2045.txt > > [RFC2578] IETF RFC 2578. Structure of Management Information Version > 2 (SMIv2) - http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2578.txt > > [RFC2616] IETF RFC 2616. Hypertext Transfer Protocol -- HTTP/1.1 - http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2616.txt > > [RFC3280] IETF RFC 3280. Internet X.509 Public Key Infrastructure > Certificate and Certificate Revocation List (CRL) Profile - http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3280.txt > > [RFC3530] IETF RFC 3530. Network File System (NFS) version 4 > Protocol - http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3530.txt > > [RFC3986] IETF RFC 3986. Uniform Resource Identifier (URI): Generic > Syntax - http://www.ietf/org/rfc/rfc3986.txt > > [RFC4346] IETF RFC 4346. The Transport Layer Security (TLS) Protocol > Version 1.1 - http://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4346.txt > > [RFC4627] IETF RFC 4627. The application/json Media Type for > JavaScript Object Notation (JSON) -http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4627.txt > > [RFC5246] IETF RFC 5246. The Transport Layer Security (TLS) Protocol > Version 1.2 - http://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc5246.txt > > > > 18. A list (or URI pointer to same) of the other specifications* > that are referenced in the specification (except the ones listed > under number 17). > > [CRC] Williams, Ross, "A Painless Guide to CRC Error Detection > Algorithms", Chapter 16, August 1993,http://www.repairfaq.org/filipg/LINK/F_crc_v3.html > > [PKS12] RSA Laboratories, PKCS #12: Personal Information Exchange > Syntax, Version 1.0, June 1999. Specification and Technical > Corrigendum - http://www.rsa.com:80/rsalabs/node.asp?id=2138 > > [REST] "Representational State Transfer" - http://www.ics.uci.edu/~fielding/pubs/dissertation/rest_arch_style.htm > > [RESTful Web] Richardson, Leonard and Sam Ruby, RESTful Web > Services, O'Reilly, 2007. > > [SIRDM] Storage Industry Resource Domain Model - http://www.snia.org/education/storage_networking_primer/sirdm/ > > > 19. A list (or URI pointer to same) of other specifications* with > which the specification may (speculatively) interoperate or act in > complementary, compatible fashion. > > OCCI - see OGF entry. > > 20. A list (or URI pointer to same) of other specifications* similar > to this specification. (Whether or not substitutable.) > > None. > > ----------------------------------- > > The template can be found here: > http://cloud-standards.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template > > -- mark > > > On 5/25/10 10:33 AM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: >> Dear All, >> >> Attached please find a template (a Table) that can be utilized for >> Clouds SDO gap analysis. >> >> Very much appreciate your comments, inputs, suggestions for >> updating it. >> >> The plan is to populate this template with SDOs' information, >> once this template is finalized through email discussion. >> >> Thanks a lot for your support and contributions >> >> Best Regards. >> Bhumip >> >> >> >> Bhumip Khasnabish (Mobile:+001-781-752-8003, bhumip@acm.org) >> >> © 2010 Bhumip Khasnabish. Do not view, print, forward, and save the >> content of this email if you are not the intended recipient of the >> communiqué. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> clouds mailing list >> clouds@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/clouds >> > > > _______________________________________________ > clouds mailing list > clouds@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/clouds > > > > > -- > Best Regards. > > Bhumip Khasnabish (Mobile:+001-781-752-8003, bhumip@acm.org) > > © 2010 Bhumip Khasnabish. Do not view, print, forward, and save the > content of this email if you are not the intended recipient of the > communiqué. > > _______________________________________________ > clouds mailing list > clouds@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/clouds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > clouds mailing list > clouds@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/clouds
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- Re: [clouds] Clouds SDO gap analysis template (a … Mark Carlson
- Re: [clouds] Clouds SDO gap analysis template (a … Mark Webb
- Re: [clouds] Clouds SDO gap analysis template (a … Bhumip Khasnabish
- Re: [clouds] Clouds SDO gap analysis template (a … Bhumip Khasnabish
- Re: [clouds] Clouds SDO gap analysis template (a … Mark Carlson
- Re: [clouds] Clouds SDO gap analysis template (a … Sam Johnston
- Re: [clouds] Clouds SDO gap analysis template (a … Linda Dunbar
- Re: [clouds] Clouds SDO gap analysis template (a … Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)
- Re: [clouds] Clouds SDO gap analysis template (a … Song Haibin
- Re: [clouds] Clouds SDO gap analysis template (a … Mark Webb
- Re: [clouds] Clouds SDO gap analysis template (a … Gene Golovinsky
- Re: [clouds] Clouds SDO gap analysis template (a … Mark Carlson