Re: [clouds] fwd: tentative agenda for Clouds bar BoF during IETF-78 inMaastricht

Linda Dunbar <ldunbar@huawei.com> Mon, 12 July 2010 15:58 UTC

Return-Path: <ldunbar@huawei.com>
X-Original-To: clouds@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: clouds@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96AC33A69A1 for <clouds@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 08:58:15 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.598
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dajYUUj8eEqF for <clouds@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 08:58:09 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from usaga02-in.huawei.com (usaga02-in.huawei.com [206.16.17.70]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288113A6897 for <clouds@ietf.org>; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 08:58:09 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from huawei.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by usaga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0L5G007ADCD4VG@usaga02-in.huawei.com> for clouds@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 08:58:16 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from L735042 ([10.124.12.58]) by usaga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0L5G00BD8CD2OY@usaga02-in.huawei.com> for clouds@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 08:58:15 -0700 (PDT)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 10:58:13 -0500
From: Linda Dunbar <ldunbar@huawei.com>
In-reply-to: <AANLkTikUhBLuBpO7wkTO14Bl6eSNSXr_tW8q_kb6PieC@mail.gmail.com>
To: 'Bhumip Khasnabish' <vumip1@gmail.com>, clouds@ietf.org
Message-id: <012601cb21db$08c12060$3a0c7c0a@china.huawei.com>
MIME-version: 1.0
X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350
X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11
Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_XlY3FN2dRI2WXqJH69lKNg)"
Thread-index: AcshwW4dwLpaje0TS5C0niNNfd2o3AADSxNA
References: <AANLkTikUhBLuBpO7wkTO14Bl6eSNSXr_tW8q_kb6PieC@mail.gmail.com>
Cc: 'Hares Susan' <shares@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [clouds] fwd: tentative agenda for Clouds bar BoF during IETF-78 inMaastricht
X-BeenThere: clouds@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
List-Id: Clouds pre-BOF discussion list <clouds.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/clouds>, <mailto:clouds-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/clouds>
List-Post: <mailto:clouds@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:clouds-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/clouds>, <mailto:clouds-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:58:15 -0000

Dear all, 

 

Clouds are such a broad area. In addition to APIs, security and server
technologies, there are many aspects of Network Technologies as well, which
are essential to Clouds. There bound to be multiple IETF working groups, if
established, to address variety of concrete network problems and solutions
for Clouds.  

 

One of the Clouds application scenarios is Cloud Computing service, like
Amazon's Elastic Compute Cloud (Amazon EC2), which allows users (clients) to
create their own virtual servers and virtual subnets. There are many
potential services which Cloud Computing services could offer to their
clients. Here are just some examples of those services:

-         A client can request a group of virtual servers and their
associated virtual subnet,

-         A client can specify policies among multiple subnets they
purchased,

-         A client can specify preferred geographic locations for some of
the virtual servers they purchased, 

-         A client can specify redundancy criteria, like two virtual servers
on two different physical servers or in two different locations, etc.  

In order to efficiently support those services, network has to support
virtual subnet, i.e. one Layer 2 network spanning across multiple locations,
in addition to large amount of hosts in Layer 2. 

 

It is possible for Cloud Computing service to have a network design that
each virtual subnet is mapped one independent Layer 2 network. But this kind
of design would require huge amount of administrative and planning work to
properly partition servers, switches to appropriate Layer 2 network. The
problem is that virtual servers and virtual subnets purchased by clients
change all the time. It is a lot of administrative work to change Layer 2
network partition each time there is a client request. Having a large amount
of virtual machines in one Layer 2 network can simplify some aspects of
Cloud Computing service design and management.

 

Therefore, we are recommending IETF to create a working group to develop
solutions in this area. There is a Bar BOF scheduled at 78th IETF on Thurs
(July 29) 11:30am ~1pm to review the problems and discuss potential
solutions. I hope those of you who are interested in network problems for
Clouds can come to this Bar BOF and contribute your ideas. 

 

http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki/BarBofsIETF78Arp222

 

Linda Dunbar

 

 

  _____  

From: clouds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:clouds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
Bhumip Khasnabish
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 7:55 AM
To: clouds@ietf.org
Subject: [clouds] fwd: tentative agenda for Clouds bar BoF during IETF-78
inMaastricht

 

Dear All,
 
Here is a list of items for the IETF-78 Clouds bar BoF  

Survey of SDOs/WGSs -- Bhumip
Clouds Ref. Framework -------- "
Industry Gaps ---------------------- "
List of possible work items ---- "
Break
Protocol and (client & server side) APIs ---------------- Sam (Google)
VPN Extension to Pvt Cloud -------------------------------- Ning (Verizon
Business), Jin et al (ZTE)
CloudAudit and Logging -------------------------------------- Gene
(AlertLogic)
Clouds based Video Streaming ---------------------------- Dr. Chen
(ForceTech) 
Resources Mobility and Multi-Tenancy Support ----- Monique et al (Cisco)
 
Your comments and suggestions are welcome.

Best Regards.
 
Bhumip


Bhumip Khasnabish (Mobile:+001-781-752-8003, vumip1@gmail.com)