Re: [clouds] Thoughts on CloudOPS
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+1, --David > -----Original Message----- > From: clouds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:clouds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Peter Saint-Andre > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 2:52 PM > To: Bhumip Khasnabish > Cc: clouds@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [clouds] Thoughts on ClooudOPS > > I see no reason to delay closing of this list. > > In fact, I suggest that it might be more productive for folks who are interested in these topics to > self-organize on lists hosted elsewhere, instead of continuing to consume IETF bandwidth (both > electronic and mental). > > On 2/16/11 10:29 AM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: > > I am requesting Peter to keep this mailing list up and running until > > cloudops@ietf.org <mailto:cloudops@ietf.org>or dcops@ietf.org > > <mailto:dcops@ietf.org> and cloudApps@ietf.org > > <mailto:cloudApps@ietf.org>or vdi@ietforg <mailto:vdi@ietforg>are > > created. > > > > Ron, Pls let me know what we need to do to get cloudops@ietf.org > > <mailto:cloudops@ietf.org>or dcops@ietf.org > > <mailto:dcops@ietf.org>created. > > > > Peter, Is it possible to keep clouds@ietf.org <mailto:clouds@ietf.org> > > for CloudApps (with focus on VDI) discussion. If not pls consider my > > request to create vdi@ietf.org <mailto:vdi@ietf.org>, and may be we > > can keep the same WiKi website to keep the contributions.. PLS let me > > know what you think and how we should proceed. Thanks again. Best. > > Bhumip > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Spencer Dawkins > > <spencer@wonderhamster.org <mailto:spencer@wonderhamster.org>> > > wrote: > > > > Just to mention one more issue ... > > > > Peter Saint-Andre said he would request that the IETF Secretariat > > close this mailing list two weeks ago. > > > > If you guys would like to have a place to discuss CloudOPS (or Data > > Center Ops, or ...) it would probably be great if you requested a > > mailing list for that. I'm thinking that Ron Bonica would be the right > > contact for that. > > > > If you guys would like to have a place to discuss Virtual Desktop > > stuff, Peter said he might be willing to create a mailing list for > > that, so he would be an excellent choice as the contact for that. > > > > I'm kind of surprised that this mailing list is still working at all > > :-) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Spencer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "marcelo bagnulo braun" > > <marcelo@it.uc3m.es <mailto:marcelo@it.uc3m.es>> To: <clouds@ietf.org > > <mailto:clouds@ietf.org>> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 2:00 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [clouds] Thoughts on ClooudOPS > > > > > > Hi, > > > > just to point out some issues... > > > > below... > > > > El 11/02/11 20:48, So, Ning escribió: > > > > > > Bhumip and all, > > > > As discussed in this morning’s call, here are my personal views on the > > proposed CloudOPS WG and the related drafts. > > > > Frameworks, high-level requirements, and best practices descriptions > > on cloud infrastructure that impact multiple IETF protocols under > > different areas and WGs, > > > > If it is an OPS area WG what you are proposing, then the work you > > propose should fall into OPS, don't you think? (as opposed to multiple > > areas) If the work you propose fall into other WG, then it should go > > to the other WGs, right? > > > > > > and/or protocols outside of IETF, belong to the CloudOPS WG. > > > > If protocols are outside the IETF, then they shouldn't be defined in > > the IETF, don't you agree? > > > > New protocols that impact multiple IETF protocols under different > > areas and WGs, > > > > similar comment here, if this is an OPS WG, then it should work within > > the OPS area scope again, if the protocol is being defined in another > > WG, then the work should be done in that WG. > > > > > > and/or protocols outside of IETF, also belong to the CloudOPS WG. > > > > work outside the IETF, should be done, well, outside the IETF > > > > ARMD WG’s work is very focused and much needed, and I voiced my > > support for its establishment. However, I see difficulties in > > broadening its charter to make it a single and only default CloudOPS > > WG. All the non-ARMD related drafts will become distraction and cause > > confusion. > > > > i agree you should leave ARMD alone. It is well defined and well > > scoped problem and it is good as it currently is > > > > In my humble opinion, the following drafts belong to the CloudOPS WG. > > Many of them were presented at Cloud BoF in IETF79, and are in the > > process of getting updated for IETF80. Several are new submissions > > that are recently uploaded. I think what we have here is more than one > > and half hours of meeting time JI really do not want to inflict the > > pain on my ARMD friends. > > > > I don't think you are approaching this from the right perspective. > > This is not about draft, is about real problems and concrete items > > that you want to work on. You should work on defining a charter, not > > in voicing for drafts that should be included in a WG that doesn't > > exist yet. > > > > In addition, all this long list seems to cover a too wide variety of > > topics. I would reccomend to be less ambitious, define a much scoped > > work, by defining a charter (As opposed to write drafts) > > > > my two cents > > > > regards, marcelo > > > > > > > > 1. Cloud Reference Framework 2. Cloud Security Framework 3. VPN > > Extension for Cloud Services 4. Network Abstraction for Enterprise and > > SP Class Cloud 5. Protocol Considerations for Workload Mobility in > > Clouds 6. Service Management for Virtualized Cloud 7. Virtual Network > > Management Information Model 8. Network Probability Requirements and > > Models 9. Syslog Extension for Cloud Using Syslog Structured Data 10. > > Virtual Resource Management (VRM) in Clouds > > > > Best regards, > > > > Ning So > > > > Network Evolution Planning > > > > Verizon, Inc. > > > > (office) 972-729-7905 > > > > (Cell) 972-955-0914 > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > > *From:*clouds-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:clouds-bounces@ietf.org> > > [mailto:clouds-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:clouds-bounces@ietf.org>] *On > > Behalf Of *Bhumip Khasnabish *Sent:* Thursday, February 10, 2011 > > 11:46 PM *To:* clouds@ietf.org <mailto:clouds@ietf.org> *Subject:* > > [clouds] Conf call on Friday [11-February-2011] at 10 AM US/NY time > > > > Please plan to join a conf call on *Friday, 11-Feb.-2011 starting from > > 10 AM ET* (New York, USA time) > > > > to get updates on the Clouds initiatives/activities. > > > > [you may find the current NY/USA time (from your location) at the > > following URL: > > http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_US-NY.aspx ]. > > > > > > Dial in number: *US Toll-free +1-866-710-5490 *If the toll-free number > > does not work, pls use *+001-203-875-8973* *Passcode: 204 > > 1744* > > > > (Thanks to Mr. Ning So for providing the conf bridge). > > > > ** > > > > *_Proposed Agenda:_* > > > > ** > > > > 1. VEPC draft update -- Ning et al 2. CloudLog draft update -- Gene > > and Sam 3. Data Center Operations (DCOPS) proposal update -- Ross > > (with info from Ron, if any) 4. > > draft-rfc-seamless-Cloud-masum-01.txt > > > > <http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft > > -rfc-seamless-Cloud-masum-01.txt>(27.1 > > > > > KB) – Masum et al, /Network Abstraction for Enterprise and SP > > class Cloud: Seamless Cloud Abstraction and Interfaces / 5. Protocol > > Considerations for Workload Mobility in Clouds.txt > > > > <http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/Proto > > col%20Considerations%20for%20Workload%20Mobility%20in%20Clouds.txt>(21 > > .5 > > > > > KB) - Masum et al, /Protocol Considerations for Workload > > Mobility in Clouds / 6. > > Karavettil-et-al-IETF-Cloud-Security-Framework-11Feb2011_v2.pdf > > > > <http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/Karav > > ettil-et-al-IETF-Cloud-Security-Framework-11Feb2011_v2.pdf>(0.6 > > > > > MB) – Suren et al, /updated cloud security framework (CSF) > > slides / 7. draft-yokota-cloud-service-mobility-01.txt > > > > <http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft > > -yokota-cloud-service-mobility-01.txt>(42.0 > > > > > KB) – Mr. Yokota et al, /Service Management for Virtualized > > Networks / 8. Virtual Desktop Infrastructure (VDI) Requirements and > > Survey update – Mr. Wang and Mr. Ma 9. Cloud (client and network > > sides) APIs update - Sam 10. VRM update -- Mr Chu et al 11. VDI > > proposal expectations (further guidance) -- Peter Saint-Andre 12. VDI > > proposal development -- TBD 13. Any other topics? > > > > As always, all of the drafts and presentations are available at the > > following URL: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/Clouds > > > > *Next conf call*will be held on > > > > *_Friday-18-February-2011_**starting from 10 AM ET*(New York, USA > > time). > > > > *Many Thanks for Participation and Contributions.* > > > > Best Regards. > > > > Bhumip Khasnabish (Mobile:+001-781-752-8003, vumip1 at gmail.com > > <http://gmail.com/> <mailto:vumip1%20at%20gmail.com > > <mailto:vumip1%2520at%2520gmail.com>>) > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/bhumipkhasnabish > >
- [clouds] Conf call on Friday [11-February-2011] a… Bhumip Khasnabish
- [clouds] Thoughts on ClooudOPS So, Ning
- Re: [clouds] Thoughts on ClooudOPS marcelo bagnulo braun
- Re: [clouds] Thoughts on ClooudOPS So, Ning
- Re: [clouds] Thoughts on ClooudOPS Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [clouds] Thoughts on ClooudOPS Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [clouds] Thoughts on ClooudOPS Bhumip Khasnabish
- Re: [clouds] Thoughts on ClooudOPS Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [clouds] Thoughts on CloudOPS david.black