Re: [clouds] __答复:_scope_of_the_cloud
"zhangyunfei" <zhangyunfei@chinamobile.com> Fri, 09 April 2010 09:21 UTC
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Thanks Sam for the reply. Personally I think the migration,resource description(maybe there are similar efforts in other SDOs already) are good topics to discuss. As for lightweight HTTP, I am not sure if this is an unique problem in cloud applications.It should be treated as an independent problem in my point of view. Just two cents. Yunfei zhangyunfei 2010-04-09 发件人: Sam Johnston 发送时间: 2010-04-09 17:04:20 收件人: zhangyunfei 抄送: Wang Xu; meng.yu; clouds@ietf.org 主题: Re: [clouds] __答复:_scope_of_the_cloud Yunfei/Wang/Meng, My interest was not limited to virtual machines (which require some amount of choreography on either side of the actual move) but rather files, databases, code, documents - basically anything that you might want to move from A to B (where you are not necessarily A or B). Another area of potential interest is a lightweight "profile" of HTTP for constrained devices, whereby one does not have to implement a full-blown HTTP client & server pair simply to query an electricity meter. Some of these issues were already discussed earlier this week[1]. The same could be said for application of [vanilla] HTTP to files, databases, etc. (e.g. the relevant subset of CDMI). We're also missing a way of describing containers (e.g. hypervisors, platforms, etc.) and workloads (e.g. applications, virtual machines). CloudAudit provides a technical solution to the former (but it's out of scope) and Cisco's James Urquhart has been working on a descriptor format for the latter[2]. Both of these areas seem appropriate for IETF involvement, and indeed CloudAudit could be worked into a generic catalog service (e.g. the legal name of the provider, its location, logo, services, SLAs, etc.). I think the best next step would be for to work torwards formalising the "clouds" effort somewhat, which will necessarily involve enumerating the opportunities for standards development and prioritising them. IETF-78 would presumably be a good forum for this activity (assuming it can't be done more inclusively on this mailing list). Sam 1. http://nih.blogspot.com/2010_04_01_archive.html 2. http://news.cnet.com/8301-19413_3-10440799-240.html On 9 April 2010 10:07, zhangyunfei <zhangyunfei@chinamobile.com> wrote: I just want to know more praticial deployment on this point since Sam mentioned this. ---------------------------------- [Sam] Another issue I ran into while writing cush[3] was how to remotely instruct servers to migrate (live?) resources - for example, moving a virtual machine, database, etc. from one location to another using a mobile device on a 3G connection. I believe WebDAV's COPY and MOVE verbs are a good start (this is what we're using for OCCI) but they could be reviewed and possibly promoted for more generic application. BR Yunfei zhangyunfei 2010-04-09 发件人: Wang Xu 发送时间: 2010-04-09 16:03:32 收件人: meng.yu 抄送: zhangyunfei; clouds@ietf.org 主题: Re:_[clouds]_答复:_scope_of_the_cloud Yunfei and Meng, Do you have any practical use case of live migration of virtual machine? I do not find any case of heavy utilization of VM migration. And some tests indicated that the migration in product environment is not mature enough yet. 2010/4/9 <meng.yu@zte.com.cn > > > Not only (virtual )resource/(or tasks) migration esp. in different clouds, but migration from different servers in one cloud, I think it could be resonable. > > Further, I am thinking could them be harmonized together for the protocol aspect? > > > > "zhangyunfei" <zhangyunfei@chinamobile.com > > 发件人: clouds-bounces@ietf.org > > 2010-04-09 14:21 > > 收件人 > "clouds@ietf.org" <clouds@ietf.org >, "sjj" <sjj@google.com > > 抄送 > 主题 > [clouds] scope of the cloud > > > > > Hi all. > Some kindly told me that my email is not displayed corretly.So send again. > ------------------------------------------------- > > Sam and all, > The topic of standardizing (virtual )resource migration esp. in different clouds you mentioned sounds interesting.Do you have more details to share?Thanks. > Another point:Is there standard protocols in interconnecting different regions of clusters?I thinks if there are room to expolore,it would be a suitable topic in IETF. > > BR > Yunfei > > > ________________________________ > zhangyunfei > 2010-04-09_______________________________________________ > clouds mailing list > clouds@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/clouds > > > _______________________________________________ > clouds mailing list > clouds@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/clouds > -- Wang Xu _______________________________________________ clouds mailing list clouds@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/clouds
- Re: [clouds] 答复: scope of the cloud Wang Xu
- Re: [clouds] __答复:_scope_of_the_cloud zhangyunfei
- [clouds] scope of the cloud zhangyunfei
- [clouds] 答复: scope of the cloud meng.yu
- Re: [clouds] __答复:_scope_of_the_cloud Sam Johnston
- Re: [clouds] __答复:_scope_of_the_cloud zhangyunfei
- Re: [clouds] __答复:_scope_of_the_cloud Gene Golovinsky
- Re: [clouds] __答复:_scope_of_the_cloud Bhumip Khasnabish
- Re: [clouds] __答复:_scope_of_the_cloud Sam Johnston
- Re: [clouds] __答复:_scope_of_the_cloud Mark Webb
- Re: [clouds] __答复:_scope_of_the_cloud Sam Johnston
- Re: [clouds] __答复:_scope_of_the_cloud Krishna Sankar (ksankar)
- Re: [clouds] __答复:_scope_of_the_cloud Sam Johnston