Re: [clue] Publishing CLUE protocol as Experimental?

Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> Sat, 22 December 2018 16:28 UTC

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To: Stephen Botzko <stephen.botzko@gmail.com>, Simon Pietro Romano <spromano@unina.it>
Cc: Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com>, draft-ietf-clue-protocol.all@tools.ietf.org, "clue@ietf.org" <clue@ietf.org>, Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>
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Subject: Re: [clue] Publishing CLUE protocol as Experimental?
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On 12/22/18 7:57 AM, Stephen Botzko wrote:
> This will have an impact on on-going work in the ITU-T.  The ITU-T 
> telepresence group chose to use CLUE directly instead of developing a 
> competing protocol, and they have several drafts which have been waiting 
> for the IETF publication for some years now.
> 
> They cannot make normative references to an experimental RFC.  They'd 
> either need to abandon their work, or directly incorporate CLUE into 
> their recommendations.

This is news to me. I was going to say I was fine with publishing as 
Experimental, but based on this news I think we need to discuss it further.

	Thanks,
	Paul

> Stephen
> 
> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 5:07 AM Simon Pietro Romano <spromano@unina.it 
> <mailto:spromano@unina.it>> wrote:
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>     Hello everybody,
> 
>     I’m perfectly fine with Benjamin’s and Ben’s proposal.
> 
>     Cheers,
> 
>     Simon
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>>     Il giorno 22 dic 2018, alle ore 00:10, Adam Roach
>>     <adam@nostrum.com <mailto:adam@nostrum.com>> ha scritto:
>>
>>     CLUE working group and document authors:
>>
>>     During IESG evaluation, Benjamin and Ben raised some issues around
>>     the state machine design, timeouts, and interaction with the
>>     various SIP state machines. While these could probably be
>>     addressed by adding substantial new text and a handful of new
>>     states and supervisory timers to the CLUE state machines, as well
>>     as including additional detail about the interaction between such
>>     state machines and the SIP state machines, it's not clear to me
>>     that the CLUE working group has the kind of energy necessary for
>>     that kind of refinement at this point in its lifecycle.
>>
>>     An alternate path that both Ben and Benjamin would be okay with is
>>     publication of the protocol mechanism as Experimental rather than
>>     Standards Track, in order to allow the collection of operational
>>     experience around implementing and deploying the protocol with the
>>     state machines as specified. This would be sufficient to satisfy
>>     their concerns around the currently-defined state machine and
>>     would allow publication of the CLUE documents. (Note that, due to
>>     the relationship between clue-protocol, clue-signaling, and
>>     clue-datachannel, this would also result in the publication of
>>     clue-signaling and clue-datachannel as experimental.)
>>
>>     Recognizing that many people are out of the office during this
>>     time of year, I'd like to ask that anyone who has comments
>>     regarding the proposal to move the core CLUE documents to
>>     Experimental status respond before Friday, January 18th. Thanks.
>>
>>     /a
>>
>>
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