Re: [cnit] CNIT Charter bashing..

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Fri, 12 June 2015 14:17 UTC

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On 12/06/15 15:13, Henning Schulzrinne wrote:
> In almost all cases of interest, the calling party *wants* to
> disclose accurate information to the called party, so the privacy
> issues don't seem to arise. They would only arise if there was forced
> disclosure; I don't think anybody is proposing that.

Privacy issues could also arise if a middlebox could now see
sensitive information that it previously could not see. I think
that is independent of whether disclosure is desired by either
of the endpoints.

S.