[codec] Individuals and hats

Thorvald Natvig <thorvald@natvig.com> Thu, 14 April 2011 06:37 UTC

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I see from cursory googling that there is an overlap between some of the
proponents of the impossible test plan and developers of MPEG USAC,
which seems likely to become one of the most patent encumbered codecs in

There seems to be clear royalty-based gain to be had for individuals and
companies if this workgroup should fail. Everyone in the IETF wears the
hat of an individual, but it might be better to be upfront about the
motivations for helping the workgroup succeed when there is such a clear
conflict of interest.