Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure
"Michael Ramalho (mramalho)" <mramalho@cisco.com> Wed, 24 March 2010 14:56 UTC
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Huh #1? A change from <null> to <anything_non_null> is a "change". Huh #2? Re: " I am glad to see that they've chosen the [codec WG?] expected royalty-free patent-non-assert licensing path." >From https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1164/ I read: "Skype is currently contemplating the licensing terms. It is the intention that there will be a royalty free license option available to companies implementing the standard." I see no commitment/choice to royalty-free in this statement; I am fairly sure that no lawyer would either. Perhaps the statement was updated since the last time you read it? Huh #3? Re: "commercial terms" >From https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1164/ I see no mention of any commercial terms other than licensing intent (e.g., support costs, indemnification, etc.). Do you have information other than https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1164/ that you are basing these comments on? Michael Ramalho -----Original Message----- From: codec-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:codec-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kevin P. Fleming Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:43 PM Cc: Codec WG Subject: Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Stephan Wenger wrote: > Folks, > The secretariat has just posted Skype's expected IPR disclosure related > to the SILK codec draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1297/. > Relative to their previous statement ( > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1164/), the commercial terms have > changed, and the new disclosure lists a number of additional patent > applications. (The exercise of determining whether the patent > applications belong to the same patent family is left to the esteemed > reader. Same goes for the interpretation of the commercial terms :-) Well, the previous disclosure didn't actually include any commercial licensing terms, so I'm not sure the term 'changed' is warranted :-) I am glad to see that they've chosen the expected royalty-free patent-non-assert licensing path. -- Kevin P. Fleming Digium, Inc. | Director of Software Technologies 445 Jan Davis Drive NW - Huntsville, AL 35806 - USA skype: kpfleming | jabber: kfleming@digium.com Check us out at www.digium.com & www.asterisk.org _______________________________________________ codec mailing list codec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/codec
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- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Stephan Wenger
- [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Stephan Wenger
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Kevin P. Fleming
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Michael Ramalho (mramalho)
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Kevin P. Fleming
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Benjamin M. Schwartz
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Koen Vos
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure stephen botzko
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Benjamin M. Schwartz
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Rob Glidden
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Stephan Wenger
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Rob Glidden
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure stephen botzko
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Rob Glidden
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Rob Glidden
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Stephan Wenger
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Rob Glidden
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure stephen botzko
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Rob Glidden
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Stephan Wenger
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Stephan Wenger
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Stephan Wenger
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure stephen botzko
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure stephen botzko
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Stephan Wenger
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Stephan Wenger
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Rob Glidden
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Rob Glidden
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Rob Glidden
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Rob Glidden
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Rob Glidden
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure stephen botzko
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Rob Glidden
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure stephen botzko
- Re: [codec] Skype IPR disclosure Rob Glidden