Re: [codec] draft-spittka-payload-rtp-opus-00: a=fmtp:101 application=audio

Jean-Marc Valin <jmvalin@mozilla.com> Thu, 14 June 2012 15:07 UTC

Return-Path: <jmvalin@mozilla.com>
X-Original-To: codec@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: codec@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E38F21F86A8 for <codec@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 08:07:28 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.677
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.677 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HOST_MISMATCH_COM=0.311]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qFWfI5h2-dFF for <codec@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 08:07:28 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from smtp.mozilla.org (mx1.corp.phx1.mozilla.com [63.245.216.69]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DCF721F863F for <codec@ietf.org>; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 08:07:28 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [192.168.1.15] (modemcable094.20-21-96.mc.videotron.ca [96.21.20.94]) (Authenticated sender: jvalin@mozilla.com) by mx1.mail.corp.phx1.mozilla.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EDC7DF22F1; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 08:07:26 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <4FD9FE2D.8070408@mozilla.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:07:25 -0400
From: Jean-Marc Valin <jmvalin@mozilla.com>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Lars Immisch <lars@ibp.de>
References: <619CA092-0565-41EE-AD7B-D2F836B22337@ibp.de> <4FD7BCCA.5000708@jmvalin.ca> <D3DD025A-B14C-4494-8973-B24B44375DE4@ibp.de> <4FD7E0F1.4080801@mozilla.com> <47991A48-3BEF-44CE-B416-693373693F96@ibp.de>
In-Reply-To: <47991A48-3BEF-44CE-B416-693373693F96@ibp.de>
X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.2
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Cc: codec@ietf.org, Tim Pritlove <tim@pritlove.org>
Subject: Re: [codec] draft-spittka-payload-rtp-opus-00: a=fmtp:101 application=audio
X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: Codec WG <codec.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/codec>, <mailto:codec-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/codec>
List-Post: <mailto:codec@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:codec-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/codec>, <mailto:codec-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:07:28 -0000

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

On 06/13/2012 06:52 PM, Lars Immisch wrote:
> Well, the draft talks about "audio mode" and "voice mode" [1]. I 
> should have suggested the parameter name "mode" and not
> "application" to stay within the draft's language.

Actually, the audio mode/voice mode will go away in the next revision
- -- it's just not needed considering that the sender knows better.

> But how can the receiver say: "encode at high bit-rate"? I don't
> see how that can be done.

You can do that with the b=AS: parameter

> a=fmtp: 101 maxaveragebitrate=128000 (or any x > 32000) is a bit 
> weak, because that's always true per Table 1.

First, table is just a rule of thumb for the recommended bandwidth
bandwidth in each more. It's not about defining maxaveragebitrate.
Also, we've realised that maxaveragebitrate needs to be a hard cap and
that it's not a good idea to use it for controlling the rate.

> What about maxaveragbitrate=unlimited?

Indeed, we'll make maxaveragbitrate *default* to unlimited in the next
draft. Controlling the bitrate should be done with the b= attribute.

	Jean-Marc
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/

iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJP2f4tAAoJEJ6/8sItn9q9efIH/Ryhv6dY1MY787Ow4YAVK3Fj
cOaKQVcFOwEeFfto+4a0fVnBdTP0Zb5WBqAAySwFjKmk+72omAGPETsDamqMQhN+
8XGE5/Nx8eq9kGzsEtWp/XkPPUjBxF1iTr9s89MLmmKU0h/O9RdEzGbht9aNL3Go
oDbjWK8/lDi5giOUglFTPOjX3vdZJNGMfX+6qMY93CqROp0shIs+S1J7BJOFl9gs
K9XqRl/uyOV/7QtfN8HGDjsuX4qx/iKkt9+ABD0ZEmSXwNBZnrtDXP9Mx9mMpNlg
iq3s+VzxhT5YHMTLsv0f9M2j2HAHmr1EGQRSBlKqAEnnDfiaLnjmHQDlULXac9U=
=ROUc
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----