15:05:50 From stephen : I can hear ya now 15:07:15 From kathleenmoriarty : It’s tough to hear you 15:07:41 From stephen : Adrian may be disincented to join btw - the Wales team are playing in the Euros right now. OTOH, maybe he's not such a soccer hooligan:-) 15:09:40 From stephen : zoom client (ubuntu) is a bit flakey UI-wise 15:10:47 From stephen : 1-0 for wales! 15:11:45 From stephen : that takes over almost my entire screen 15:12:48 From kathleenmoriarty : Thursday’s telechat 15:13:28 From kathleenmoriarty : I’ll help with adding text 15:15:49 From stephen : should I type feedback here? 15:16:01 From kathleenmoriarty : You don’t like the password? ;-) 15:16:03 From kathleenmoriarty : Sure 15:16:07 From stephen : 'course not:-) 15:16:14 From kathleenmoriarty : or an email to codematch-develop 15:16:25 From stephen : but more - can this be linked to tracker or tools logins? 15:16:31 From kathleenmoriarty : It’ll get integrated with the data tracker login 15:16:49 From kathleenmoriarty : Yes, that’s the plan, we’re just not connected yet 15:16:59 From stephen : ack, absent that folks won't use so much (for current IETFers that is) 15:17:11 From kathleenmoriarty : right 15:17:25 From kathleenmoriarty : they will have an option to create a login/password 15:17:45 From stephen : FB: can I DoS someone ? make presnick mentor for 1000 things? 15:18:04 From kathleenmoriarty : I would think so at this stage 15:18:07 From stephen : FB: means feedback of course not that other thing:-) 15:18:14 From Pete Resnick : Oh joy. 15:19:17 From kathleenmoriarty : I thought there were some restrictions as to who could assign mentors, including that they can assign themselves. But asking that question would be good as I’m not aware of the current state of that 15:19:24 From stephen : FB: not sure estimated months is so useful, people will get it rwong or underestimate 15:19:50 From kathleenmoriarty : right, Lars asked that hours be added as well for hack-a-thon projects 15:20:01 From Adrian Farrel : Useful to know whether the plan is to do it fast or over the period of a year 15:20:15 From kathleenmoriarty : Good point, Adrian 15:20:17 From Adrian Farrel : Hmmm, also some guidance as to the siz 15:20:20 From stephen : what happens if I put a conflict review or other weirdo tracker document in there? 15:20:37 From Adrian Farrel : But Stephen is right that our industry (and students) will never guess right 15:20:54 From stephen : 2-0 for wales! 15:21:04 From kathleenmoriarty : Yes, agreed, but hopefully it helps a little 15:22:21 From stephen : if using tags people may ask about twitter stuff so are those linked would be a question 15:23:44 From Pete Resnick : “New CodeMatch” and “New CodeRequest” should both be available in the respective menus at the top. 15:24:39 From stephen : IETFers learn by example most easily IMO, so a HOWTO document or "clone this one then edit the different things" would be good 15:24:49 From Pete Resnick : Yep. 15:25:59 From stephen : some convention as to how to link between github and tracker via this would be neat - it's ok that that'd develop over time 15:26:19 From kathleenmoriarty : Toral: We will just need to capture all the comments in the chat before the session is ended 15:26:34 From kathleenmoriarty : I don’t mind doing that and sending it to the list 15:27:15 From Pete Resnick : So, what’s a mentor? 15:27:36 From Adrian Farrel : I think I need to play with this. I feel I missed one of the three options. 15:27:38 From Pete Resnick : (Probably something that should have some help text on the CodeRequest page.) 15:27:45 From Toral Cowieson : @Kathleen - yes, looking into that right now 15:28:15 From kathleenmoriarty : Pete, a mentor is someone that will answer questions for developers of a draft/RFC 15:28:26 From Adrian Farrel : I see "I have started a project to produce code to match your I-D" and "I would like someone to write code to match my I-D" but not "I would like someone to suggest a project because I have the following skills" 15:28:45 From kathleenmoriarty : this is meant to help students so they know they will have someone to answer their questions if they are working with school project deadlines 15:28:56 From stephen : @kathleen: that's a bit counterintuitive for me - I'd have thought a mentor would teach me how to use codematch 15:29:08 From kathleenmoriarty : questions should go on a list, but maybe not the WG group list if one exists 15:29:13 From stephen : maybe s/mentor/somethingelse/ for that role 15:29:16 From Adrian Farrel : So "mentor" is "shepherd"? 15:29:23 From kathleenmoriarty : Hmm, but the mentor is on a per draft basis 15:30:08 From kathleenmoriarty : yes, we toyed with the term shepherd, but that was too confusing per the feedback we got when we ran through things like that with IETFers in interface interview 15:30:09 From kathleenmoriarty : s 15:30:19 From Adrian Farrel : From y experience of students, a mento might end up teaching networking 101 and code for beginners :-) 15:30:35 From stephen : yep 15:30:37 From kathleenmoriarty : Do you have a better term? 15:30:49 From stephen : but don't use tutor, that's overloaded for students 15:30:52 From kathleenmoriarty : We had trouble finding one 15:31:43 From Adrian Farrel : I ws going to say "point of contact" since the mentor is very like to be an author on the draft. 15:32:02 From Adrian Farrel : But if a professor can initiate a code request then I am nervous! 15:32:03 From kathleenmoriarty : Point of contact is good... 15:32:08 From stephen : point-of-contact is good yeah 15:32:20 From kathleenmoriarty : I hadn’t thought of a professor doing that... 15:32:43 From kathleenmoriarty : Maybe his example is that he works with Lisandro, his professor, but also an IETFer 15:32:56 From stephen : my guess is that teachers will be way more likely to add an RFC and not a draft 15:33:08 From kathleenmoriarty : An RFC is fine too 15:33:14 From stephen : they're far more comfortable knowing about stuff that won't change 15:33:25 From kathleenmoriarty : That makes sense 15:34:02 From stephen : and they may be teaching about god know what ancient RFC, but try it and see 15:34:08 From Adrian Farrel : Question: isn't code match *much* more valuable to the IETF if applied to I-Ds? 15:34:23 From Pete Resnick : Sure, but you can add RFCs as reference material. 15:34:29 From Pete Resnick : Maybe needs to be two different fields. 15:34:32 From stephen : I'd say yes, but that's more likely to be an author creating the thing and not a teacher 15:34:42 From kathleenmoriarty : It could also help identify when a proposed standard should move to standard 15:34:50 From kathleenmoriarty : then RFCs are valuable too 15:34:56 From Adrian Farrel : true 15:35:02 From kathleenmoriarty : or showing connections between standards and open source 15:35:06 From stephen : well, true if you care about PS vs IS 15:35:12 From Pete Resnick : :-b 15:35:22 From Adrian Farrel : well, true if you care about open source ;-) 15:35:28 From kathleenmoriarty : haha 15:36:04 From stephen : my main comment: try it out and see how it goes - the UI will change if it works and won't matter if it doesn't I'd say this is good enough to start 15:36:52 From Adrian Farrel : yeah, get the function right. L&F is not key 15:37:21 From kathleenmoriarty : Good to hear, other feedback had a slight bias toward the new interface (Lars :-) ) 15:37:37 From Pete Resnick : Buttons should be up top, and separate from the scrolling list, as that list is likely to get long. 15:37:42 From stephen : 3 second delay on my video getting back to my screen - who designs these protocols:-) 15:37:57 From stephen : that's a zoom comment in case it wasn't clear 15:38:03 From Adrian Farrel : [[Kathleen is botte-fed!]] 15:38:07 From Adrian Farrel : bottle 15:38:10 From kathleenmoriarty : :-) 15:38:30 From kathleenmoriarty : Have to keep my water intake up 15:38:36 From stephen : /me wonders if irc commands work 15:38:43 From stephen : guess not 15:40:01 From kathleenmoriarty : Yes, that’s possible, I think 15:41:00 From stephen : try put in https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/spasm/charter/ 15:41:04 From kathleenmoriarty : Thanks! 15:41:24 From stephen : people will link to in-formation wgs and bofs 15:42:09 From stephen : also one security thing - make sure that you won't de-reference a URL that deletes my tracker a/c! 15:42:26 From stephen : so not all tracker URLs are ok 15:43:53 From kathleenmoriarty : or IETFers, companies, etc. not just student developers 15:44:11 From kathleenmoriarty : reputation 15:44:30 From kathleenmoriarty : Hmm, I thought we had that in the plan... 15:45:33 From Adrian Farrel : The Code Match Police 15:45:35 From stephen : q: what happens when spam-bots find this? 15:45:52 From Adrian Farrel : You need a datatracker ID 15:45:53 From stephen : I'm fine that you worry about that later 15:46:00 From stephen : good enough 15:46:16 From Adrian Farrel : datatracker seems to have been proof against bots 15:46:39 From stephen : IMO the main main thing is to try is out now and to not wait for too much longer before doing that 15:47:06 From Adrian Farrel : +1 we have waited a while since this was first floated, so give it a kick round the park 15:47:07 From stephen : I mean try it out with the public 15:47:23 From stephen : half time Wales 2-0 Russia 15:47:24 From kathleenmoriarty : Yes, so to capture here, make sure there is a way (person) to validate code requests and matches to prevent bots or others from adding false information 15:47:26 From stephen : who'da thought 15:48:06 From Adrian Farrel : Russia has fewer sheep than we do 15:48:19 From Adrian Farrel : But ours have Russian radioactivity 15:48:46 From Pete Resnick : I’m going to Russia on holiday with Marya the week before Berlin. No you’ve gone and made them all depressed. 15:48:56 From Pete Resnick : Oh, wait. They started that way, didn’t they? 15:49:10 From stephen : yes it's adrian's fault 15:52:42 From stephen : I gotta head shortly 15:52:50 From Pete Resnick : Me too. 15:54:01 From Toral Cowieson : Thanks, Wanderson, All 15:54:36 From Matheus : Yes 15:54:48 From Toral Cowieson : Good progress from last week! 15:54:55 From Matheus : Thanks!