Re: [Coin] TR: New Version Notification for draft-kuhn-quic-0rtt-bdp-03.txt - implications for COINRG and NWCRG
Marie-Jose Montpetit <marie@mjmontpetit.com> Tue, 09 July 2019 15:17 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Coin] TR: New Version Notification for draft-kuhn-quic-0rtt-bdp-03.txt - implications for COINRG and NWCRG
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Me the dual hat person again: Hi the draft below could have interest to both the nwcrg and the coinrg as: 1. nwcrg: there is already work on QUIC and NC that wants to be adaptive and negotiated; this is very much in line with the protocol part of the work 2. coinrg: as we deal with the impacts of encryption on computing in the network and the potential use of QUIC proxies negations will also be important. We have a milestone on how to link coin I did not send this message to the QUIC mailing list but if you think it’s useful I can :) mjm -----Message d'origine----- De : QUIC <quic-bounces@ietf.org> De la part de Kuhn Nicolas Envoyé : lundi 8 juillet 2019 10:05 À : IETF QUIC WG <quic@ietf.org> Cc : Gorry Fairhurst <gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk>; emile.stephan@orange.com Objet : TR: New Version Notification for draft-kuhn-quic-0rtt-bdp-03.txt Hi, We have updated our draft on "Transport parameters for 0-RTT connections". In short, the proposal of the draft is the following: While each client and server can have its dedicated solution to store path parameters, having a standard way of exchanging this information helps in providing symmetrical control of the optimisation and reducing protocol ossification. [...] This memo discusses a solution where the client is informed about path parameters: both the client and the server can contribute to the reduction of the time-to-service for subsequent connections. This would improve symmetrical transmission of data and reduce ossification of the protocol. Please let us know if you have any views on this proposal. Cheers, Nico -----Message d'origine----- De : internet-drafts@ietf.org <internet-drafts@ietf.org> Envoyé : lundi 8 juillet 2019 09:59 À : Stephan Emile <emile.stephan@orange.com>; Emile Stephan <emile.stephan@orange.com>; Kuhn Nicolas <Nicolas.Kuhn@cnes.fr>; Gorry Fairhurst <gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk> Objet : New Version Notification for draft-kuhn-quic-0rtt-bdp-03.txt A new version of I-D, draft-kuhn-quic-0rtt-bdp-03.txt has been successfully submitted by Nicolas Kuhn and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-kuhn-quic-0rtt-bdp Revision: 03 Title: Transport parameters for 0-RTT connections Document date: 2019-07-08 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 11 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kuhn-quic-0rtt-bdp-03.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kuhn-quic-0rtt-bdp/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kuhn-quic-0rtt-bdp-03 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-kuhn-quic-0rtt-bdp Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-kuhn-quic-0rtt-bdp-03 Abstract: The time-to-service duration depends on both peers and the peer initiating the connection may not be the peer actually sending data. Moreover, clients may be resource-limited, behind a low bandwidth or a long-RTT network and may need adaptations to improve data transmission or reception. While each client and server can have its dedicated solution to store path parameters, having a standard way of exchanging this information helps in providing symmetrical control of the optimisation and reducing protocol ossification. QUIC may not be limited to HTTP3: it can be used as a substrate for proxying and tunneling. This memo discusses a solution where the client is informed about path parameters: both the client and the server can contribute to the reduction of the time-to-service for subsequent connections. This would improve symmetrical transmission of data and reduce ossification of the protocol. To improve the time-to-service of subsequent 0-RTT reconnection the server currently sets in the early_data extension the maximum volume of egress data the client is allowed to send when reconnecting. This memo proposes BDP_metadata, an additional extension, to also inform the client about path parameters. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat
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