Re: [Coin] COIN activities update

Hi all,

as I said during our last meeting, I definitely support efforts that intend to create a common basis for the RG.
In this context, I think that widening the scope from industrial use cases to use cases in general could make sense.
However, in my opinion, we have to make sure that we keep a common level of abstraction for all use cases, but that should be possible.

If there are no objections to Dirk’s proposal, I would try to prepare our draft accordingly for IETF-109.
I will also open up the sources so that everyone can contribute as soon as I find the time for that.

@all:
Which other use cases should we include in the draft?
Any proposals and/or volunteers to work on including them? :)

Best,
Ike

On 1. Oct 2020, at 13:21, Marie-Jose Montpetit <marie@mjmontpetit.com<mailto:marie@mjmontpetit.com>> wrote:

Seems like a good idea. Use cases are are on our list of milestones :)

Marie-José Montpetit, Ph.D.
marie@mjmontpetit.com<mailto:marie@mjmontpetit.com>

On October 1, 2020 at 5:45:25 AM, Dirk Trossen (dirk.trossen@huawei.com<mailto:dirk.trossen@huawei.com>) wrote:
Hi Marie-Jose, all,

In addition to the support for adopting the suggested drafts as RG ones, I was wondering for the industrial use cases one if we could widen the scope towards a document that represents a number of use case areas, not just industrial specifically? For instance, I’m thinking of use cases we are describing in the micro-service draft, currently captured in a separate section. Moving those to an RG-wide use case draft would allow for reference a single (RG) document.

I had thought of linking to some of the industrial ones already but instead thought suggesting the scope widening for the draft might be a good first step.

I would be interested to hear what the RG as well as authors, of course, of the draft think of that.

Best,

Dirk

From: Marie-Jose Montpetit [mailto:marie@mjmontpetit.com<mailto:marie@mjmontpetit.com>]
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Subject: RE: [Coin] COIN activities update

Thanks. We will wait for the updates and discuss at the interim(s).

mjm

Marie-José Montpetit, Ph.D.
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On September 7, 2020 at 9:36:38 AM, Dirk Trossen (dirk.trossen@huawei.com<mailto:dirk.trossen@huawei.com>) wrote:
Hi Marie-Jose, all,

Thanks for the update on the activities. As for the RG adoption, I’m certainly supporting the adoption of the directions and industrial use case drafts.

As for the app centre draft, I wanted to note that  V2 of that draft (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sarathchandra-coin-appcentres-02) just expired but we are planning an update, focused on Section 4 (in the update from v1 to v2, we updated the use cases and added requirements). Of course, an adoption of this draft is something I would support as a co-author but I wanted to also give an update on plans since there were reasons for the delay in update which let the V2 draft lapse, but it was not abandoned.

Best,

Dirk

From: Coin [mailto:coin-bounces@irtf.org<mailto:coin-bounces@irtf.org>] On Behalf Of Marie-Jose Montpetit
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Subject: [Coin] COIN activities update

Hello everyone and welcome to September!

Some group maintenance and announcements to start the last months of the year (annus horribilis 2020).

Documents

At the IRTF meeting we had discussed accepting some documents as RG documents. At that moment we had suggested:
The directions draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kutscher-coinrg-dir/
and the industrial use cases https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kunze-coin-industrial-use-cases-02
If anyone has an objection please tell usb the end of this week (Sept. 4 EOB Pacific) if not we will go ahead.

We also believe the app centre draft is also very mature https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sarathchandra-coin-appcentres-01 and we could accept it at our next meeting.

And of course there is the discovery draft has also been going though a number of revisions https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mcbride-edge-data-discovery-overview/:
which raised the discussion topic of “in-network” vs. “on-network” and we suppose the reach of computing in the network, a great discussion topic to prepare for our next meetings and milestone updates. There are now 3 discovery draft and we welcome a discussion on maybe consolidating them.

Relevant conferences and bibliography:

We plan to update the wiki with related conferences (like the up coming European P4 Workshop and ICIN2021) and an “living” bibiography. I wrote a book chapter and I have more than 100 related references so I will update the wiki and the GitHub this week but you are welcome to edit and/or email with other titles after.

Next meetings:

We plan to have 2 interims instead of a single November meeting in the October and then Dec. or January timeframe so we are less time-constrained. We would like:
- the first to be dedicated to academic talks and plan to invite some of the Sigcomm authors and speakers as well as prominent researchers
- the second for document maintenance, new work and milestones.
We also need to decide about the hackaton so feel free to chime in. And stay tuned for next emails and proposed dates.

We hope you and yours are safe and healthy.

J/E/M

p.s. please join Eve and I in congratulating Jeff for going to back to academia and to soon become Dr. J (sounds like a rap star!).

Marie-José Montpetit, Ph.D.
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