Re: [core] CBOR Encoding of Data Modeled with YANG
Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> Tue, 08 December 2015 13:09 UTC
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Subject: Re: [core] CBOR Encoding of Data Modeled with YANG
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On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 01:34:24PM +0100, Carsten Bormann wrote: > Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > I want independently developed systems to interoperate. In general, I > > can't assume modules have data node IDs (since a YANG module like lets > > say ietf-interfaces simply does not define them). > > One discussion we haven't had is whether we can combine COMI-style > identifier hashing as the general solution with optional use of manually > managed identifiers. This would give us the coverage of "any item from > any YANG module" that we would like to have, but still provide the > opportunity for more optimization in specific modules that can benefit > from tighter representation (including the external/internal identifier > split), which we might be able to subject to a tighter development regime. > I prefer one solution instead of multiple solutions. I think we should try to understand the pros/cons of the various possible solutions and try to take an informed decision. The solution space is even bigger than the two proposals on the table. For example, an implementation could simply use locally assigned data node IDs and publish a dictionary mapping names to data node ids. Yes, there are downsides with this as well. (Or, as a variation, you include the dictionary in the encoding, then it looks a bit like compression.) So far, the decision tree I have in my mind roughly looks like this: a) use identifier strings (+simple, -verbose) b) use data node identifiers (-more complex, +compact) b1) derive data node identifiers algorithmically from YANG data models (-might be tricky in certain cases) b2) use a hash algorithm to derive data node identifiers from the set of announced YANG data models (-need to deal with hash collisions, slightly larger numbers) b3) use locally assigned data node identifiers and provide a cachable mapping dictionary (-different data node identifiers for each device, data without dictionary is meaningless) /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 <http://www.jacobs-university.de/>
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