Re: [core] Comments on draft-ietf-core-echo-request-tag-02
Jim Schaad <ietf@augustcellars.com> Thu, 18 October 2018 22:51 UTC
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Subject: Re: [core] Comments on draft-ietf-core-echo-request-tag-02
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> -----Original Message----- > From: Christian M. Amsüss <christian@amsuess.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 7:18 AM > To: Jim Schaad <ietf@augustcellars.com> > Cc: draft-ietf-core-echo-request-tag@ietf.org; core@ietf.org > Subject: Re: Comments on draft-ietf-core-echo-request-tag-02 > > Hello Jim, > > thanks for your review; we're working it into an updated document for WGLC. > > Responding to the comments related to Request-Tag: > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 03:17:12PM -0700, Jim Schaad wrote: > > * Section 3.1 - The note to the RFC editor has me confused. Firstly, > > I am not sure why it should be moved rather than just staying here. > > Updated. I hope that the process of submission will be clear enough beforehand > that we can remove the paragraph or move the text ourselves > -- if (as I expect) OSCORE enters AUTH48 before we submit ERT to the RFC > editor, that text will be gone by then. > > > * Section 3.1 - I think that the value of Request-Tag is potentially > > going to be different depending on if it is in the inside rather than the outside. > > You may be doing two different block transfers and each needs its own value. > > Updated to explicitly state that those values are independent because they > relate to an inner or outer blockwise transfer. > > > * Section 3.2 - the first paragraph does not scan. I am not sure what > > it says as it seems to be contradictory. > > That paragraph assumed a very particular implementation method for servers > (that unknown options are processed in bulk before known options); does this > re-wording read better to you?: > > The Request-Tag option does not require any particular processing on > the server side outside of the processing already necessary for any > unknown elective proxy-safe cache-key option: The option varies the > properties that distinguish blockwise operations (which includes all > options except elective NoCacheKey and except Block1/2), and thus the > server can not treat messages with a different list of Request-Tag > options as belonging to the same operation. Yes that reads better > > > * Section 3.2 - para 2 - The example sentence looks odd. Do you mean > > it can have a cached response not a free response? > > That was worded confusingly and is now changed. > > > * Section 3.2 - para "especially" - I find the first sentence very > > hard to understand. > > That paragraph has become obsolete with the presence of core-stateless > anyway and was replaced with a reference there later in the proxy application. > > > * Section 3.3 - last para - how do you recycle something that is > > absent? I think the last clause needs examining. > > Added a sentence on absent Request-Tag options being a value of its own, > explaining why that can be recycled just as well. > > > * Section 3.4.1 - Item 2 - how is a client supposed to be able to know > > this if the proxy in the middle just passes it through w/o changing > > it? Two different clients could end up with the same Request-Tag. > > One would hope that they would have different tokens because of the proxy > however. > > The whole 3.4.1 is, as per item 1, only applicable to blockwise operations split > into end-to-end protected individual exchanges. > > (Ie. DTLS w/o proxies, or inner blockwise in OSCORE). > > If that does not answer the question, I don't fully understand it, please help me > find where we diverge. Ok - if you say proxies are not there then I have no issues > > > * Section 3.4.1 - This seems backwards. I thought that OSCORE was > > tightly bound to the end point, but this paragraph says it is not. > > That was my idea of OSCORE inner-blockwise being allowed to jump transports > (which it could easily do but is not specified that way); I've replaced the > paragraph with a weaker and more hypothetical one. > > (By "bound to the end point" I meant that whereas a running DTLS session will > only stay alive while IP/port/interface quintuple stays the same, an OSCORE > context can be used even after those endpoint identifiers have > changed.) That makes sense - It might be better to talk about endpoint addresses then rather than just using endpoint which corresponds to a server (or client). > > > * Section 3.4.3 - You have a "Section TBA" here > > > > * Section 3.4.3 - Please keep the section for justification of > > Request-Tag being repeatable. > > Given that we now do groundwork for Stateless which is more directly > applicable, that document is now referenced instead, and left in. Look good Jim > > > Thanks again > Christian > > -- > To use raw power is to make yourself infinitely vulnerable to greater powers. > -- Bene Gesserit axiom
- [core] Comments on draft-ietf-core-echo-request-t… Jim Schaad
- Re: [core] Comments on draft-ietf-core-echo-reque… Christian M. Amsüss
- Re: [core] Comments on draft-ietf-core-echo-reque… Göran Selander
- Re: [core] Comments on draft-ietf-core-echo-reque… Jim Schaad
- Re: [core] Comments on draft-ietf-core-echo-reque… Jim Schaad
- Re: [core] Comments on draft-ietf-core-echo-reque… Göran Selander
- Re: [core] Comments on draft-ietf-core-echo-reque… Jim Schaad
- Re: [core] Comments on draft-ietf-core-echo-reque… Göran Selander
- Re: [core] Comments on draft-ietf-core-echo-reque… Carsten Bormann