Re: [core] CoMI Cool draft splits
Somaraju Abhinav <abhinav.somaraju@tridonic.com> Wed, 18 November 2015 15:05 UTC
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________________________________________ From: peter van der Stok [stokcons@xs4all.nl] Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 2:40 PM To: Somaraju Abhinav Cc: consultancy@vanderstok.org; Andy Bierman; Core Subject: RE: [core] CoMI Cool draft splits Hi, I see that we agree. However, drafts are mostly about inter-operability. We must make security recommendations but I can imagine that other SDOs want to specify under which conditions these protocols are used. [AS] Okay. Fair enough if we assume an SDO will specify conditions under which the protocols are used. Peter Somaraju Abhinav schreef op 2015-11-18 13:49: > Hi Peter, > About "I was more thinking of referring to the drafts developed in ACE > and COSE > than on specifying security separately for CoMI/CoOL". > > I don't expect that we specify the actual security protocols that will > be used in CoMI/CoOL - this is clearly the domain of ACE/COSE. > However, I think we should specify which ones to use in which context > and how. E.g. for the discovery part, we might say reply to any > message. We should also provide discovery methods of which protocol is > may be used to actually secure get/put request. I do not think these > types of issues will be covered in ACE/COSE but are in the domain of > the management protocols. > > Regards, > Abhinav > ________________________________________ > From: peter van der Stok [stokcons@xs4all.nl] > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 11:23 AM > To: Somaraju Abhinav > Cc: consultancy@vanderstok.org; Andy Bierman; Core > Subject: RE: [core] CoMI Cool draft splits > > Hi Abhinav, > > see below. > > Somaraju Abhinav schreef op 2015-11-18 09:31: >> Hi Peter, >> I like your proposal of starting with the four drafts. Just a few >> comments >> >> - Before working through iv) function set, I think it makes a little >> bit of time working out what use cases we want to support. In >> particular, I think we should decide if we are only going to address >> Netconf/Restconf support or if we expect to support Yang application >> layer module management. In my opinion, in constrained networks we >> will not support two management protocols one for networking and one >> for application layer. Therefore, we should support both in the >> function set. > > <peter> I agree about support for management and others (which needs a > bit of thought) </peter> >> >> - Access control. I think for iv) function set, we should also think >> about how access control is going to work while we look at the >> function set. I don't know if this is a separate draft in a different >> WG (e.g. ACE). But from the perspective of being able to use a device >> management protocol, unless we also get interoperability for access >> control/security mechanisms, the drafts will not be usable in the >> field. > > <peter> Again I agree. In the security considerations this should be > put > forward. > I was more thinking of referring to the drafts developed in ACE and > COSE > than on specifying security separately for CoMI/CoOL. > One of my problems is also the support of Multicast, and I don't see > the > appropriate draft being approved quickly. > </peter> > >> >> - Regarding Versions of YANG modules: I do not understand why we need >> consistent numbering when a module version gets upgraded. As Rodney >> already mentioned, we can not assume that new versions of a module are >> supersets of old versions. I think it is also important to keep using >> the automated numbering scheme as far as possible. So, my questions is >> the following: do we need data node IDs consistent across versions of >> YANG modules. > > <peter> on the other hand there are the YANG rules as Andy pointed out; > My take-away till now is that consistent data node IDs across versions > is VERY difficult, and probably not needed (to be checked in detail) > </peter> > >> >> Abhinav >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: core [core-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf of peter van der Stok >> [stokcons@xs4all.nl] >> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 8:27 AM >> To: Andy Bierman >> Cc: Core >> Subject: Re: [core] CoMI Cool draft splits >> >>> >>> I think the YANG Hash draft should be separate from the protocol. >>> We want to use it with RESTCONF, as well as the YANG/CBOR encoding. >>> >> >> I agree with Andy here. >> Although I sympathize with Rodney, that once the four drafts are >> reality, the WG should decide about adoption and a recombination of >> documents. >> >> Peter >> >> _______________________________________________ >> core mailing list >> core@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/core >> ________________________________________________________ The contents >> of this e-mail and any attachments are confidential to the intended >> recipient. 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