Re: [core] [Last-Call] [art] Artart last call review of draft-ietf-core-problem-details-05

Thomas Fossati <tho.ietf@gmail.com> Thu, 30 June 2022 09:58 UTC

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From: Thomas Fossati <tho.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2022 10:57:53 +0100
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To: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
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Subject: Re: [core] [Last-Call] [art] Artart last call review of draft-ietf-core-problem-details-05
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Hi John,

On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 9:27 PM John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote:
> p.s., since I'm guilty of suggesting the explanatory paragraph,
> I'd be willing to work with you, Carsten, or others on getting a
> draft version together if that would help.

That'd be great.  Extrapolating from a previous email of yours:

> I think the document would be strengthened by a brief paragraph about
> possible updates, pointing out that Tag 38 and the rest of the spec
> might be altered separately and urging that any updating documents be
> clear about what is being altered (and what is not) and that any
> replacement document either copy everything or split things up.  That
> might include an explicit warning against leaving parts of this spec
> as normative while replacing other parts.

Could you take a stab at drafting a proposal that we can then tweak together?

Cheers, TIA
-- 
Thomas