Re: [core] [art] Artart last call review of draft-ietf-core-links-json-07

Herbert Van de Sompel <hvdsomp@gmail.com> Tue, 25 April 2017 12:50 UTC

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From: Herbert Van de Sompel <hvdsomp@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 14:50:15 +0200
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To: Erik Wilde <erik.wilde@dret.net>
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On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Erik Wilde <erik.wilde@dret.net> wrote:

> hello carsten.
>
> On 2017-04-24 14:55, Carsten Bormann wrote:
>
>> it would be better to make sure that serializations of web links actually
>>> can represent web links and not just some of the information that they
>>> convey. that train may have left the station with RFC 6690, but maybe for
>>> the JSON and CBOR serializations that can be changed.
>>>
>> Right.  Can you be more specific what you would want to see here?
>>
>
> two possibilities:
>
> - to do things well it would be better to have web link serializations
> that cover *all* of RFC 5988 (bis). that's a hard thing to do and will take
> a while.
>
>
As Erik previously indicated, it would be great if this could be done as
part of RFC5988bis.


> - for the RFC 6690-based variants under consideration right now, it would
> be helpful to very explicitly point out that they are *not* general-purpose
> serializations of web links, but instead inherit the limitations of the
> underlying spec.
>
>
That would, indeed, be good. But, in case RFC5988bis would spec a (JSON)
serialization, it seems to me that it would be rather helpful for the CORE
community if the RFC 6690 JSON serialization would be based on it.

Cheers

herbert



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