Re: [core] draft-ietf-core-senml-more-units-00

Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Fri, 13 September 2019 18:04 UTC

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Subject: Re: [core] draft-ietf-core-senml-more-units-00
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Answering from memory...

Sent from mobile, sorry for terse

> On 13. Sep 2019, at 12:12, Jaime Jiménez <jaime@iki.fi> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Carsten,
> 
> here is the review for the draft.
> 
> ## General comments
> 
> - The Secondary Registry table is probably lacking a description column
>  similar to the main SenML registry.

That could be added, but the scale/offset columns are often all that is needed.  Open for input here. 
> 
> - It looks like "ppm" is not derived from any main SenML unit. As the
>  secondary registry is explicity for derived units, shouldn't ppm
>  be then in the main SenML registry?   

The base unit listed is / (slash), the unit we use for dimensionless quantities in senml. Iirc, it even says so. 
> 
> - There is an open comment on whether the text should update RFC 8428,
>  IMO the answer is yes but maybe the authors of both documents and the
>  group should decide.

Yes. I now think it does update 8428, as it allows the user of units defined in the secondary table where 8428 only allowed the primary one. 
> 
> ## Editorial
> 
> - P4: Says "four", however including the reference there would be five
>  columns. 
> 
> - P5: "Table 2" is missing the caption.
> 
> - P6,P7: Wouldn't the references to IEC and IEEE be informative rather than
>  normative?

Good question. They are normative for the units defined. 
> 
> - P7: IMHO for informational purposes it would help a lot to have references
>  to the right locations in BIPM and the IEC, which are referenced themselves in [RS]. 

Ok; do you have a text proposal?
> 
> ## Other
> 
> - The document indicates that new entries will be added through "Expert
>  Review". Often it is the case that little documentation is provided
>  when new entries are given to IANA and, since we should avoid
>  confusion, I would like to know if we will have specific experts
>  versed in the topics of Units to review the entries.

That is a requirement on the DE already in 8428, so I'm not sure the is a new one here. 
> 
> Ciao!

Thanks for the review. 
Do you think any of this blocks a WGLC?

Grüße, Carsten
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 09:15:39AM +0300, Jaime Jiménez wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'll try to provide a review in the coming days. 
>> 
>> Ciao!
>> 
>>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 07:07:56AM +0300, Carsten Bormann wrote:
>>> Hi Hannes,
>>> 
>>> Quick answer from my vacation:
>>> The discussion we had during WG adoption raised a couple minor points, but nothing we couldn't handle during a WGLC. So if Jaime can do a chair's review soon, we could WGLC the document afterwards, say, until about Sep 30. 
>>> Deg can be registered right away, but adding the second table requires iesg approval; so we should submit to iesg by, say, Oct 1 and could be approved by the end of the month, barring surprises. This is optimistic, but not unrealistic at all. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from mobile, sorry for terse
>>> 
>>>> On 12. Sep 2019, at 18:27, Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Carsten, Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> When do you expect draft-ietf-core-senml-more-units-00 to be completed?
>>>> 
>>>> Ciao
>>>> Hannes
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