Re: [core] πŸ”” WGLC for Resource Directory

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Thu, 23 May 2019 13:27 UTC

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Subject: Re: [core] πŸ”” WGLC for Resource Directory
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On May 23, 2019, at 3:08 AM, Peter van der Stok <stokcons@bbhmail.nl> wrote:
> If so, should I mention in the text that a selection of supported discovery methods for a given RD configuration may be specified by a SDO?

If that is what you intend to have happen, then yes, you should say that explicitly.   You might also explicitly discuss the problems with doing that:
Increased complexity of deployments
Lack of interoperability
Likelihood of infrastructure (as opposed to leaf) devices not actually supporting all the possible discovery methods

I suspect the reason we’re having this conversation is that we don’t yet know what to recommend, and that’s understandable.   But the reason I’m pushing the point is because at some point it would be of great benefit to the end-user to be able to say what to do.   Leaving it up to each app-layer vendor is not a good solution.   So if this document is not going to say what to do, we should at least be thinking in terms of discovering what we should recommend, and not simply decide that we are not going to solve that problem.