Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signatures [Was: Re: Call for COSE Agenda Items for IETF 113 in Vienna]
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Subject: Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signatures [Was: Re:
Call for COSE Agenda Items for IETF 113 in Vienna]
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On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 03:34:08PM -0500, Russ Housley wrote: > > > > On Mar 11, 2022, at 11:11 AM, Ilari Liusvaara <ilariliusvaara@welho.com> wrote: > > > > NISTPQC signatures would fit into signature keys "subtype", but NISTPQC > > KEMs will not fit into the key agreement keys "subtype", so that would > > be a third "subtype" (all NISTPQC algorithms have OKP-style key format, > > as this was required by NIST). > > Right. It makes sense to add support for KEM. We can figure that out > without waiting for NIST to announce Round 3 winners. We can do the > work based on RFC 5990. One idea how (modelled on ECDH-ES, as operation of KEMs is very similar to ECDH-ES): - Add new alg values KEM+{A{128,192,256}KW,HKDF-{256,512}}, mirroring the ECDH-ES ones. - Add new new header algorithm parameter "encapsulated ciphertext" (bstr) that carries the KEM ciphertext. - Sender procedure: - Select the public key to encrypt to. - Apply the KEM encapsulate operation to the public key. - Use the encapsulate secret output as input for key derivation, just like in ECDH-ES. - Write the encapsulate ciphertext output into the "encapsulated ciphertext" header algorithm parameter. - Receiver procedure: - Retretive the private key to use. - Read the ciphertext input from the "encapsulated ciphertext" header algorithm parameter. - Apply the KEM decapsulate operation to the private key and the ciphertext. If decapsulate fails, fail. - Use the decapsulate secret output as input for key derivation, just like in ECDH-ES. A word of cauntion: Altough it might seem that the "encapsulated ciphertext" header can be reused for HPKE, there is a subtle issue: This mechanism can not trivially support compressing the ciphertext. So reusing it would require HPKE to define compact NIST curves, so COSE could just forget about key compression. -Ilari
- [COSE] Call for COSE Agenda Items for IETF 113 in… Mike Jones
- Re: [COSE] Call for COSE Agenda Items for IETF 11… Mike Jones
- Re: [COSE] Call for COSE Agenda Items for IETF 11… Mike Jones
- Re: [COSE] Call for COSE Agenda Items for IETF 11… Anders Rundgren
- Re: [COSE] Call for COSE Agenda Items for IETF 11… Mike Prorock
- Re: [COSE] Call for COSE Agenda Items for IETF 11… Hannes Tschofenig
- [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signatures… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Anders Rundgren
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Mike Prorock
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Russ Housley
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Mike Jones
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Anders Rundgren
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Mike Prorock
- Re: [COSE] Call for COSE Agenda Items for IETF 11… Göran Selander
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Orie Steele
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Orie Steele
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Anders Rundgren
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Mike Prorock
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Mike Jones
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Mike Prorock
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Rafael Misoczki
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… John K
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Anders Rundgren
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Russ Housley
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Anders Rundgren
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Rafael Misoczki
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Russ Housley
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Anders Rundgren
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Russ Housley
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Orie Steele
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Mike Jones
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Orie Steele
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Anders Rundgren
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… David Waite
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Mike Prorock
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Anders Rundgren
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Russ Housley
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Orie Steele
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Mike Prorock
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Mike Prorock
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Mike Prorock
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Russ Housley
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Mike Prorock
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Michael Richardson
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Mike Jones
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Mike Jones