[COSE] Barry Leiba's Yes on draft-ietf-cose-hash-algs-04: (with COMMENT)

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Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for
draft-ietf-cose-hash-algs-04: Yes

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— Abstract —

   There are however circumstances where
   hash algorithms are used, such as indirect signatures where the hash
   of one or more contents are signed, and X.509 certificate or other
   object identification by the use of a fingerprint.

I found this hard to parse, and had to read it a few times.  How about this?:

   There are, however, circumstances where
   hash algorithms are used, such as in indirect signatures, where the hash
   of some content is signed, and for fingerprinting of X.509 certificates or
   other objects.

— Introduction —

   This omission was intentional as a structure consisting of
   just a digest identifier, the content, and a digest value does not by
   itself provide any strong security service.

Nit: this needs a few more commas... one after “intentional”, and one before
and one after “by itself”.

   One of the primary things that has been identified by a hash
   function for secure message is a certificate.

Another that I had trouble parsing.  Maybe, “One of the primary things related
to secure messages that has been identified by a hash function is a

— Section 2 —

   hash functions is part of the base design as cryptographic advances
   are sure to reduce the strength of a hash function.

Nit: this needs a comma after “design”.

   The standard "Collision Attack" is one where an attacker can
   find two different messages that have the same hash value.  If a
   collision attack exists, then the function SHOULD NOT be used for a
   cryptographic purpose.

I’m uncomfortable with having this document give a brief tutorial on
cryptographic hashing, as it has to be oversimplified... and it is.  If it’s
going to stay, I’d like to see ar least one minor change, though I’ll defer to
the Sec ADs on this point: for any hash alg, it is always possible to encounter
a collision, and the text isn’t clear about what “if a collision attack exists”
really means.  I think it means not to use it if a collision attack is
practical, and maybe this is a better way to say it?:

   A "collision attack" is one where an attacker can
   find two different messages that have the same hash value.  A
   hash function that is susceptible to collision attacks, SHOULD
   NOT be used for cryptographic purposes.

   checked to see if they are the correct one.

“They are the correct one?”  Oof.  How about, “to find the correct one,” or
(maybe better), “to see if they are suitable.”?

   If the fingerprint is
   used to verify that it is the correct certificate, then that usage is
   subject to a collision attack as above.  If however, the fingerprint
   is used to sort through a collection of certificates

“then that usage is a cryptographic one and is subject to the warning above
about collision attacks.”  And “however” also needs a comma before it, as well
as after.

   In this case, one still needs to
   validate that the public key validates the signature

Make the first “validate” say “confirm” instead, to avoid the awkward double
use of “validate”.

   To distinguish between these two cases, a new value in the
   recommended column of the COSE Algorithms registry is to be added.
   "Filter Only" indicates that the only purpose of a hash function
   should be to filter results and not those which require collision

Might it be better to have the new column be called “cryptographic use”, with
values of “yes” and “no”?  Hint: I think it would.  Hint#2: this is a
non-blocking comment, so you might disagree.

— Section 2.1 —

   *  Additional data, this can be something as simple as a random value

Nit: make the comma a semicolon.

      appending to the content, but it is strongly suggested to it

Nit: change “to it” to “that it”.

— Section 3.1 —

   Because of the known issues for SHA-1 and the fact that is should no

Nit: change “that is” to “that it”.

— Section 3.2 —

      Locations that use this hash function
      need either to analysis the potential problems with having a
      collision occur, or where the only function of the hash is to
      narrow the possible choices.

Locations?  And do you mean to use “analysis” as a verb?  Maybe this?:

      Use of this hash function
      needs analysis of the potential problems with having a
      collision occur, or must be limited to where the function
      of the hash is non-cryptographic.

— Section 3.3 —

   One of the benefits of this
   differences is that when computing a shorter SHAKE hash value

Nit: “difference”, singular.

— Section 5 —

   that need the cryptographic properties, i.e. collision resistance,
   and properties that correspond to possible object identification.

Collision resistance isn’t the only cryptographic property (there’s also, for
example, preimage resistance), so change “i.e.” to “such as”.  This is another
example of the hazard of trying to explain hashing in a simple document such as
this one.

   This is
   the difference between collision resistance and second pre-image

If you have collision resistance, don’t you automatically have second preimage
resistance?  What’s he point of mentioning second preimage resistance here,
when you don’t mention it nor need it anywhere else?

   are under constant attack and the strength of hash algorithms will be
   reduced over time.

I would say “the cryptographic strength”.