Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signatures [Was: Re: Call for COSE Agenda Items for IETF 113 in Vienna]
Mike Prorock <mprorock@mesur.io> Tue, 08 March 2022 19:37 UTC
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Subject: Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signatures [Was: Re:
Call for COSE Agenda Items for IETF 113 in Vienna]
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> > I believe most people (in retrospect) have rather come to the conclusion > that polymorphic algorithms were a mistake. > +1 - that seems to be something that folks are finding out Where the actual "kty" shakes out as we continue to improve the draft is yet to be seen. "PQK" made sense at the time as this is dealing with post quantum keys and signatures - just as easily we could be looking at two key types, probably by family - e.g. one for lattice based, and one for hash based signatures, or could just as easily be "OKP" - we opened an issue to track that here: https://github.com/mesur-io/post-quantum-signatures/issues/48 and will discuss on our next call. This is exactly why we wanted the broader input from the COSE WG
- [COSE] Call for COSE Agenda Items for IETF 113 in… Mike Jones
- Re: [COSE] Call for COSE Agenda Items for IETF 11… Mike Jones
- Re: [COSE] Call for COSE Agenda Items for IETF 11… Mike Jones
- Re: [COSE] Call for COSE Agenda Items for IETF 11… Anders Rundgren
- Re: [COSE] Call for COSE Agenda Items for IETF 11… Mike Prorock
- Re: [COSE] Call for COSE Agenda Items for IETF 11… Hannes Tschofenig
- [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signatures… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Anders Rundgren
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Mike Prorock
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Russ Housley
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Mike Jones
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Anders Rundgren
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Mike Prorock
- Re: [COSE] Call for COSE Agenda Items for IETF 11… Göran Selander
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Orie Steele
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Orie Steele
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Anders Rundgren
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Mike Prorock
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Mike Jones
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Mike Prorock
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Rafael Misoczki
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… John K
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Anders Rundgren
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Russ Housley
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Anders Rundgren
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Rafael Misoczki
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Russ Housley
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Anders Rundgren
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Russ Housley
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Orie Steele
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Mike Jones
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Orie Steele
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Anders Rundgren
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… David Waite
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Mike Prorock
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Anders Rundgren
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Russ Housley
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Orie Steele
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Mike Prorock
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Mike Prorock
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Mike Prorock
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Russ Housley
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Mike Prorock
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Michael Richardson
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Mike Jones
- Re: [COSE] draft-prorock-cose-post-quantum-signat… Mike Jones