Re: IPv7 Selection Criteria
Noel Chiappa <jnc@ginger.lcs.mit.edu> Wed, 23 December 1992 15:09 UTC
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From: Noel Chiappa <jnc@ginger.lcs.mit.edu>
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To: dcrocker@mordor.stanford.edu, jnc@ginger.lcs.mit.edu
Subject: Re: IPv7 Selection Criteria
Cc: criteria@ftp.com, ericf@atc.boeing.com
In other words, Noel, if we cannot objectify application of the criterion, I believe that the criterion is inherently useless for the task at hand In other words, if you can't measure it, it doesn't matter/exist? Sorry if I'm getting snappy, but to me this is the single most important goal of a design of a large, shared, communication system, and to ignore it because it's very hard to measure seems to me insupportable. However, I think your next phrase gives me the clue to what the real disagreement is here, so let's go to that... since we will then just invite "yes it is"/"no it isn't" debates. You and I have clearly have a different model for what is likely to happen with this thing. I doubt we are going to sit down, as an IETF comittee of the whole, with this checklist in hand, and fill it out for each proposal, and either vote on which one to pick, or go with the one with the most check marks, after which we will all happily go work on that one. People who back scheme X, and truly believe in their hearts it is the right thing, simply aren't going to go away because an IETF vote (whatever the heck that is, and whatever the heck it means) went to something else. This is, after all, the whole tradition of the IETF; a group of people who *ignored* a formal vote on what the 'right thing' was, and proceeded to guerrilla deploy their stuff into a major contender. What I see is most likely to happen is that each credible possibilty will be designed, implemented, and deployed in some scale. This is not necessarily a *bad thing*; done right, it can result (albeit at the cost of some expenditure of design/implementation resources) in a better designed thing at the end. (The challenge, as always, is to miminimize the bad feeling between the design teams, and confusion to the outside world, while this process is going on.) In this process, the criteria document more represents advice/input from the user/engineering community to the design teams as to what are perceived to be important goals for successful designs; a requirements document, if you will. In that context, hard to qualify goals like "maximum design lifetime" aren't quite as useless, yes? Noel
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