[cso] New mailing list/group Re: New list and wiki/blog? Re: Mailing List Sunset

Greg Bernstein <gregb@grotto-networking.com> Wed, 30 November 2011 19:55 UTC

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Subject: [cso] New mailing list/group Re: New list and wiki/blog? Re: Mailing List Sunset
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Hi folks, I've taken the CSO mailing list and used it to create 
invitations to the new CSO google group. If you don't get an invitation, 
I think you can directly sign up at 
http://groups.google.com/group/cross-stratum-optimization?hl=en, or send 
me an e-mail.

I just checked the group and see some folks are very fast and have 
already joined!

We're working on the migration of the CSO Wiki and one we get things 
tested and cleaned up we can set that up for more collaboration than the 
existing pre-IRTF CSO Wiki. Note that I've gotten initial very positive 
feedback on MathJax <http://www.mathjax.org/>functionality on those test 
pages I put up.


Greg B.

On 11/30/2011 10:35 AM, Leeyoung wrote:
> Hi Greg,
> Google group looks great! I also like Media Wiki for Web Site for CSO.
> Thanks a lot.
> Young
> *From:*cso-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:cso-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf 
> Of *Greg Bernstein
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2011 11:01 AM
> *To:* cso@ietf.org
> *Subject:* [cso] New list and wiki/blog? Re: Mailing List Sunset
> Hi folks, I've looked into some options for continued interaction if 
> this list and accompanying Wiki are shut down.
> These include:
> (a) A Yahoo! Group. --> Pros: list distribution and archiving, web 
> page and file posting; Cons: advertising, limited customization
> (b) A Google Group --> Pros: list distribution and archiving;  Cons: 
> no web page or file posting
> (c) A WordPress site based at cccso.net (where we hosted the Korea 
> workshop info) --> Pros: web page, wiki/blog, file posting, 
> customization; Cons: no list processing
> (d) A MediaWiki site based at cccso.net --> Pros: web page, wiki/blog, 
> file posting, customization; Cons: no list processing.
> (e) Other? I use Drupal for my own site but not sure we need this much 
> customization.
> Right now the only customization I think would be helpful for wiki or 
> blog is good web mathematics support. I particularly like MathJax 
> <http://www.mathjax.org/>as it understands LaTex and MathMML, permits 
> easy copy and paste, and has wide browser support and is endorsed by a 
> ton of technical societies. In addition (or most importantly) I got it 
> to work with some sample WordPress and MediaWiki deployments 
> (http://cccso.net/mw/index.php/Greg%27s_Page and http://cccso.net/wp/ ).
> Two key area for a CSO wiki/blog would be on problem formulations and 
> references (both categorized). For example Richard Yang's recent post 
> gives a lot of good references and a bunch of those are available free 
> from Tim Roughgarden's web page (http://theory.stanford.edu/~tim/ 
> <http://theory.stanford.edu/%7Etim/>).  With the UT Dallas and BUPT 
> presentations we saw two different problem formulations which would be 
> nice to share on a Wiki.
> It looks like we have a very good and diverse set of folks interested 
> in this area, let me know preferences for the above Wiki/blog/list 
> choices.  I'm kind of leaning towards "Google groups" for the list and 
> a separate advertising free wiki/blog type site.
> Cheers
> Greg B.
> On 11/25/2011 1:06 PM, Scott Brim wrote:
> Where will people take the work that has been discussed here? This is 
> not directed at you, Ron, but at the contributors.
> On Nov 25, 2011 12:26 PM, "Ronald Bonica" <rbonica@juniper.net 
> <mailto:rbonica@juniper.net>> wrote:
> Folks,
> It appears that this work has not gained traction within the IETF. 
> Therefore, this list will be shut down on Friday, December 16. Please 
> feel free to use the list until then to summarize your work and 
> announce future plans.
> --------------------------
> Ron Bonica
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