Re: [cso] Mailing List Sunset

Robert Raszuk <> Mon, 28 November 2011 19:31 UTC

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Hi Leeyoung,

Many thx !

Hi Ron,

Great success of pushing very useful work out of IETF/IRTF doors.

Only because perhaps there was no charter .. not even section of IRTF 
web page one should not shut down this group.

However the charter could be as simple as copy and paste a section from 
one of the excellent drafts this wg produced:

    The IETF ALTO WG has focused on overlay optimization among peers by
    utilizing information about topological proximity and appropriate
    geographical locations of the underlay networks. With this method,
    the optimization generally occurs in selecting peer location which
    will help reduce IP traffic unnecessarily traversing IP service
    providers. Current scope of this work does not address general
    problems this document has been discussing such as the selection of
    application servers based on resource availability and usage of the
    underlying networks.

Also IMHO I think the name of this group was poorly chosen. For vast 
majority of non native English speakers the name of the group was highly 
cryptic .. first guess was that this is all about stratum 0 to stratum 3 
clocking optimization .... booooooring.

While the reality turns out to be something really different. That this 
is about cross network layer application proximity services what is one 
of the hottest topics/optimization in networking today.

The actual work in this group is very needed and should be continued 
within the IETF/IRTF.

I suggest to rename the group/gathering/bof to something much more 
meaningful, enter it's charter on IRTF page as "tent wg" and allow folks 
interested to share drafts, research and continue discuss on the mailing 
list. Even if the group would not get the room in Paris as Lars said 
during last meeting that is still ok.

Best regards,

> Hi,
> We are working on moving the CSO mailing list to alternative site at this moment. We will shortly announce the new site and the future plans.
> Thanks.
> Young
> From: [] On Behalf Of Scott Brim
> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 3:07 PM
> To: Ronald Bonica
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> Subject: Re: [cso] Mailing List Sunset
> Where will people take the work that has been discussed here? This is not directed at you, Ron, but at the contributors.
> On Nov 25, 2011 12:26 PM, "Ronald Bonica"<<>>  wrote:
> Folks,
> It appears that this work has not gained traction within the IETF. Therefore, this list will be shut down on Friday, December 16. Please feel free to use the list until then to summarize your work and announce future plans.
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