Re: [cso] Mailing List Sunset

Leeyoung <> Tue, 29 November 2011 17:10 UTC

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I disagree with what you said. We had come up with the charter based on people's feedback and there were two initial academic papers presented in Taipei showing the proof of cso concept. Although both papers have rooms for improvement, it was off to a good start showing the potential of app/net joint optimization. 

Besides, there are a critical mass of research folks who expressed their interest in this area of research. I fully agree with the perspectives of Richard Yang and Robert Raszuk on the importance of app/net joint optimization. 

Many of the current IRTF RG's have a rather broad research scope and I am not sure if our current charter is any broader than those. 


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From: Lars Eggert [] 
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To: Ronald Bonica
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On 2011-11-28, at 23:07, Ronald Bonica wrote:
> Alternatively, if you are interested in forming an IRTF RG, please coordinate with Lars and the IRSG.

this has been tried, and several side meetings were held during previous IETF meetings. It doesn't appear as if the effort is coming together and gaining focus, however. Hence my decision during the Taipei meeting to not charter a CSO RG.

IRTF Chair