[Curdle] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die-03.txt

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Sun, 10 December 2017 20:42 UTC

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Subject: [Curdle] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die-03.txt
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The security AD’s just got back to us.  Apologies from the AD’s and Chairs for letting this fall through the cracks.

A general “deprecate in all protocols” document is not appropriate for CURDLE.  This means that Section 4 (IMAP->EXTRA), Section 6 (DIAMETER->DIME) and Section 7 are out of scope for this WG. This is quoting Eric, one of the co-Directors.

On a personal level, I think Section 3 should be handled by UTA. And Section 5 has KITTEN

Even if the WG disagrees with me about 3 and 5, there is a question about if it’s worth still having this as a WG document.  Please post your reply to the list; we will call for consensus to move this forward or abandon it early in January.

On 12/9/17, 3:22 PM, "internet-drafts@ietf.org" <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:

     
    A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
    This draft is a work item of the CURves, Deprecating and a Little more Encryption WG of the IETF.
    
            Title           : Depreciating RC4 in all IETF Protocols
            Author          : Luis Camara
    	Filename        : draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die-03.txt
    	Pages           : 8
    	Date            : 2017-12-09
    
    Abstract:
       RC4 is extremely weak as shown by RFC 6649 and RFC 7457, is
       prohibited in TLS by RFC 7465, is prohibited in Kerberos by RFC xxxx
       and it needs to be prohibited in all IETF protocols. This document
       obsoletes RFC 4345 "Improved Arcfour Modes for the Secure Shell (SSH)
       Transport Layer Protocol" (note Arcfour and RC4 are synonymous).
       RFC 3501, RFC 4253, RFC 6649 and RFC 6733 are updated to note the
       deprecation of RC4 in all IETF protocols.
    
    
    The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
    https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die/
    
    There are also htmlized versions available at:
    https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die-03
    https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die-03
    
    A diff from the previous version is available at:
    https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die-03
    
    
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