Re: [Curdle] XMSS for SSH

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From: "Panos Kampanakis (pkampana)" <pkampana@cisco.com>
To: Loganaden Velvindron <loganaden@gmail.com>, curdle <curdle@ietf.org>
CC: "Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)" <sfluhrer@cisco.com>, "David McGrew (mcgrew)" <mcgrew@cisco.com>
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Subject: Re: [Curdle] XMSS for SSH
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Hi Logan,

I would like to propose to add a format for LMS as well https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc8554/ 

LMS and XMSS are both stateful HBS schemes that could be used in SSH. 

So, since you are going through the trouble to add one, I would suggest to add both so they can both be used in the future where it makes sense. . 

Rgs,
Panos

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From: Curdle <curdle-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Loganaden Velvindron
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Subject: [Curdle] XMSS for SSH

We put up a quick document for SSH-XMSS. XMSS support in OpenSSH is not compiled by default. However, it appears that a german vendor is using it.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mu-curdle-ssh-xmss-00

We couldn't upload rev01 as we missed the deadline.

I used the ed25519 I-D  as template for XMSS I-D, and the SSHFP section is fixed as well as other fixes in rev01.

Kind regards,
//Logan
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