Re: [cuss] Ratification of "Standards Action" guideline for draft-ietf-cuss-sip-uui

Paul Kyzivat <> Fri, 04 April 2014 14:33 UTC

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Subject: Re: [cuss] Ratification of "Standards Action" guideline for draft-ietf-cuss-sip-uui
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Interesting to see this come back.

My original opinion was (and still is) that for these to be useful, it 
must be possible for using enterprises to assign new values for each 
distinct deployment of an application. IMO even FCFS might be too high a 
bar for this.

E.g., if I create a particular VXML application that captures some data 
and communicates it to a call center agent application via UUI, then the 
format of that data is likely to be unique.

Lowering the bar below FCFS would require a naming scheme that 
guarantees uniqueness without registration.


On 4/3/14 6:17 PM, Vijay K. Gurbani wrote:
> All: The IESG has sent draft-ietf-cuss-sip-uui to the WG to ratify the
> "Standards Action" guideline for defining UUI packages and registering
> new IANA elements for the parameter tables for purpose, encoding and
> content.
> The draft authors note that the original concern when the work
> was coming out of Dispatch was that the UUI not become a "wildcard"
> header to be used for a wide variety of purposes.  Hence the direction
> toward requiring a standards track RFC.  However, a lesser standard
> such as "Specification Required" might suffice and offer more
> flexibility for additional use cases, while not opening up the process
> totally as would be the case for "First Come First Serve."
> The IESG will like to revisit this decision to confirm that the WG
> decisions remains "Standards Action".
> To that end, Enrico and I will like to open up a 2-week period to ratify
> this decision to remain at "Standards Action" or to move to something
> other designation.
> The 2-week period ends on close of business (US Central Time) April 17,
> 2014.  Please express an opinion; if you are for keeping status quo,
> please send a one-liner to the cuss WG mailing list.  If you are of the
> opinion that we should relax the burden, please state so and a short
> reason on why we should do so.
> Thank you all.
> - vijay