Re: [dane] Bootstrapping IPSec from DNSSSEC/DANE

Yoav Nir <ynir@checkpoint.com> Sat, 21 September 2013 12:59 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dane] Bootstrapping IPSec from DNSSSEC/DANE
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Hi David

I believe this would require a separate document. But I'm not sure that tying it to an IP address is appropriate. IKE implementations work from behind NAT devices and sometimes move around (see MOBIKE), so I think it would be more appropriate to tie the record to any type of ID payload that we have in IKE: IP address and FQDN at least, maybe also KEYID and RFC822 address. 

You might need to profile the IKE IDs used for this.

Yoav

On Sep 21, 2013, at 2:31 PM, david.lloyd@fsmail.net wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I am interested	in using a variant of DANE to bootstrap my IPSec IKE root certificate trust.  Is anyone aware of any work been done in this area?
> 
> From my understanding, it looks as though the is no technical issue with using reverse DNS lookup for the IPSec target machine with DNSSec (although this may be a little unreliable on the "real-world" internet), so returning standard DANE entries for the IPSec certificate.  Then I would simply use these as part of the standard IPSec certificate validation algorithm.
> 
> Looking at similar proposed applications of DANE, such as the draft-ietf-dane-srv, mostly this involves defining an appropriate protocol query name (for example _ipsec.123.123.123.123.in-addr.arpa).
> 
> Is this something that would fit into an existing document either from the IKE side or the DANE side?  Or would	it be worth me creating an more extensive proposal?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> David L
> 
> P.S.  Sorry for cross-signing two lists!
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