Re: [dane] Behavior in the face of no answer?
Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Tue, 15 May 2012 16:56 UTC
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Subject: Re: [dane] Behavior in the face of no answer?
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On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Martin Rex <mrex@sap.com> wrote: > And as a fallback, browsers could use a TLSA & server-cert lock, i.e. > memorizing information from the last visit of a site and using that > to perform server endpoint identification in case that DNSSEC lookups > fail when roaming. At which point it's hard to understand how this is better than cert pinning via HSTS. -Ekr
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