Re: [dane] [openpgp] The DANE draft

Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> Thu, 06 August 2015 17:07 UTC

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... and we have just called consensus on this topic - see the email
with the subject "Consensus on the Hash vs Base32 discussion."

This has been a long and involved discussion, and we thank everyone
for hanging in there.

W


On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Hosnieh Rafiee
<hosnieh.rafiee@huawei.com> wrote:
> Viktor,
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dane [mailto:dane-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Viktor Dukhovni
>> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 5:47 PM
>> To: dane@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [dane] [openpgp] The DANE draft
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 04:54:24AM -0400, Paul Wouters wrote:
>>
>> > I really do believe that the hashing is not an affective security
>> > meassure.
>>
>> Agreed.  Wishful thinking does not make it true.  Just because we'd
>> like to sprinkle crypto pixie dust to make magic happen, does not mean
>> it will happen.
>>
>> Hashes may sound more secure, but they're not really more secure, no
>> matter how much we'd like them to be.
>
> Of course, no one expects to see a miracle from a hash function. But again this is only making it a bit harder, even you say 1% but this is quite different than a plain text.
>
> Best,
> Hosnieh
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