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Re: [dane] Network errors ARE attacks - on the end-to-end-principle

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Wed, 16 May 2012 15:15 UTC

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I just wanted to +1 on John Gilmore's very well reasoned arguments.

I can not reply to each point myself, and John does it better than I.

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]       He who is tired of Weird Al is tired of life!           |  firewalls  [
]   Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works, Ottawa, ON    |net architect[
] mcr@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/ |device driver[
   Kyoto Plus: watch the video <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzx1ycLXQSE>
	               then sign the petition. 
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Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>ca>, Sandelman Software Works 
IETF ROLL WG co-chair.    http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/roll/charter/

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